i hate epoxy please help

Discussion in 'Materials' started by texasboatbuild, Jan 29, 2006.

  1. texasboatbuild
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    is there any thing i can use insted of epoxy on my wooden boat
     
  2. the_sphincter
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    yes. nails, wood glue, polyester resin, vinylester resin,
     
  3. texasboatbuild
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    but nail will let water in
     
  4. mcollins07
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    Clean expoxy layup.

    I don't like doing fiberglass layups for several reasons. I find that the vacuum resin infussion technique reduces many of these objections. With vacuum resin infussion you can reduce the fumes and end up with a much better product. You need a vacuum pump. If it is a small wooden boat, you can use a vacuum pump from an old refridgerator or other alternatives. I once purchased a diagram air compressor pump from sears which worked as a vacuum pump.

    Michael
     
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    Then you should not try to build a boat
     
  7. lprimina
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    use brass ring shank nails and even stainless steel nails.
    I havent had a leak yet. But of course I use epoxy too.

    By the way whoever made the coment about vinager cleaning epoxy told the gospel. I tried it and it was awsome. NO MORE 30 gal drums of acetone just 5 gal drums now. Thank you to ??? for that.

    Ben
     
  8. wdnboatbuilder
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    It was not me but I have to agree Vineger is the best, and safest.
     
  9. texasboatbuild
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    if you use nails do you need seal anything so water does not get in
     
  10. PAR
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    I can't take the credit for that (the vinegar thingie), though I did bring it up and strongly defend it, in a recent post on another thread. It's an old trick and works well.

    Epoxy sucks, especially if you are sensitized to it, but there aren't any other materials that can compete with it as a total package. There are some adhesives that work as well, but may require heat or major clamping pressure (sometimes a real pain in the butt) to be as effective as epoxy (which doesn't need the heat or clamping pressure) There aren't any wood sealers as effective as penetrating epoxy, though some are reasonably close (if you want to risk it) There are some sealants that work very well, but they generally are more application specific then epoxy.

    Epoxy's gap filling, adhesive and sealing qualities, plus the additional help of not requiring perfectly fitting joints, high clamp pressure or ideal conditions, makes it difficult to replace it with something else.

    If you really don't want to use epoxy, then avoid designs that are goo inclined and pick one, such as the traditional solid lumber boats, of which there are thousands to pick from. Stitch and glue, tape and seam and plywood construction methods need to be discarded in favor of carvel, traditional lap, double plank or other non-goo intensive methods. These designs rely on fasteners and joint design to keep the water out, rather then well sealed and glued together structures, using epoxy.
     
  11. texasboatbuild
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    will jb weld work
     
  12. PAR
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    Guess what JB weld is . . .

    What boat are you building?
     
  13. l_boyle
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    l_boyle ol' can of sardines

    Wow, I use epoxy alot around here, never had any trouble using it. I had more trouble using "liquid nail" than using epoxy.. Learn to be patience with epoxy, it'll be your best friend....
     
  14. Jimbo1490
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    I hope nobody is using acetone to clean their hands of epoxy! Why not just buy one of the several purpose made hand cleaners? Cupran Special is my favorite:

    http://www.stokoskincare.com/prodclean.htm

    Yeah, vinegar might be cheaper, but I'll eat a june bug if it works better than Cupran.


    Jimbo
     

  15. PAR
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    Select a tasty looking June bug Jimbo. Vinegar stops the epoxy reaction and strips it off your hands as easily as a simple wipe. You don't have to scrub with so it doesn't need pumice. I've had epoxy on every part of my body at one time or another. It'll even get it out of your hair. You will smell like a you were dunked in a pickle barrel, but this isn't a very high price to pay. I've tied different vinegars and plan old white vinegar seems to do the job just fine. Try a side by side comparison with your preferred product and see for yourself.
     
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