Hull-Speed increased by Maritime Surface-Effect

Discussion in 'Press Releases' started by AmnonMikeCohen, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Amnon, I have been following your posts and threads, trying to understand what you hope to achieve here? We are mostly keen to learn stuff relating to boats and design and discuss the merits of certain innovative ideas etc...

    You seem unwilling to expose your ideas to forum scrutiny, claiming new technology and the need to protect your ideas so WHY POST???

    Your posts seem heavy on marketing and abuse both together do nothing for your cause, so WHY POST???

    You claim a desire for your privacy to be respected and to not be bothered with negative (junk) emails, but your posts are often negative and virtually "junk", as you declare it inappropriate to release confidential information... so WHY POST???

    I presume the emails are arriving because you made the email address available, so WHY POST???
     
  2. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    Why Post???

    What I had posted first, was NEWS, what I see as good and positive technological news of importance to the industry, in my hope the readership will be positive and constructive and helpful in the process of delivering the Product line and the new Technology to the Maritime Industry and the millions if not billions of Mariners who care about better, safer, faster and more economic boating.

    The membership responded with mostly skeptical yet basically by mud slinging (insults and challenges) and this is why all my posts and related threads are nothing more then responses to the childish foolishness I found to actually be the way people express themselves here - so I have stopped posting or hoping a long time ago, and only keep responding with respect to people who write a comment on this issue or thread, as I do respect all created people and also do remember your original comment as well as respecting your last comments on this thread.

    I did not give up on this readership, and do hope some day to come here with the actual legal permission for disclosing the facts about the invention and share new product news, and this, only if I am successful in locating the yet proper needed partnership in this project - or the invention may go to the grave with me - so please note, it has been a sad experience for me and my invention among this readership, but we are happy together, and more so when I take one of my prototypes to the water and fly on top of the surface.

    Many inventors had made mistakes I do not intend to do, as they failed and were not as happy with the problems in the industry making inventors unsuccessful.

    However, I am staying puzzled by the way people choose negative approach more then positive approach to truths and facts - because it is not my words that people need to trust but the demonstrated facts and proofs of what my words describe, meaning, what do I gain by making empty claims if I can not deliver the facts behind my claims?!

    Respectfully yours, Ami
     
  3. KnottyBuoyz
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    I'd give the product a try on my 25' express cruiser. I could offer unbiased test results with photo's videos and data posted to these forums. I know it's not the partnership you're looking for but if it works, as you say it does, and the results can be presented from an unbiased third party then the naysayers my be silenced. The risk is, if it doesn't work, they'll eat you alive.

    The only concern I have is the method that might be used to attach the device(s) to the boat and affects of having to remove it/them after the test.
     
  4. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    Thanks for your offer, but it is not one person or one place where the proof is to be

    Thanks Rick for your offer, but it is not one person or one place where the proof is to be demonstrated, as we have done all this years ago.

    I am not after winning points here, or having you second my claims or verify them to few skeptical people - they already had me for a meal anyhow... and had fun on my account already.

    The problem is in commerce and patent law. An inventor can not profit prior to patent, and if a patent is issued, no capital is waiting for the project. Also, other patents with infringement can be created and capital can make use of the new or pirated invention.
    If a company is already strong in the market and develops a patent, it can market it and be secure within the market. No other combination works. Money can not be made to invent, and a successful inventor needs capital to market invention, and is in very vulnerable position as I am with my project.

    To answer you simply, thanks but by making you happy, I loose my rights to the invention, so it is not helpful at all and is a destructive challenge in fact.

    If you like a more detailed answer, OK, just write to my email, but this forum has people who just do not want much more truth or facts from me until I can show and tell them what is it that I actually have developed.
     
  5. Stumble
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    Amnon,

    I am not really familure with patent law, but I do deal with it a bit in my comercial litigation practice. If you really think you have a good idea, then go see a good patent lawyer and get his advice about your idea.

    First, these days a patent can be drawn up wide enough to effectively block a copy-cat from infringing on your idea, and by having a strong patent you now have valuble intelectual property that you can market to industry players on either a per boat basis, or for their entire line. Trust me if you have something revolutionary to increase performance there will be a buyer out there, since most boat manufacturers would give their eye teeth to radically improve the performance of their vessels.

    The question is how much is your idea worth. A fully functional commercially ready idea that can just be dropped into an existing hull is worth a lot more than something that works but would require a significant amount of R&D to make commercially viable. But these are all questions that can only be answered after patening the idea.

    If you want a referal for an attorney feel free to PM me your contact information and I can refer you to a friend of mine here in the states.
     
  6. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Stumble, I was under the delusion that once filed then the original idea is protected and can therefore be marketed openly and safely, (subject to it not infringing on other existing patents already in force), so if this fellow has filed for a patent - even if documentation, (research to verify originality and no other conflicting patents by the patent office?), is not complete and verified as the only original claim up to the date filed he is "safe" from patent applications for something similar after that date so the "filing date and region", - world or just USA/Canada is the key factor beside originality of the idea which is patentable...?
     
  7. Ad Hoc
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    I hate to wade in on this, but anceint kayaker said it all. Show us the figures/data etc then it can be reviewed. But for some reason you continue with words, rather than facts.
    If you supplied facts and figures, as others are asking, then you would be taken more seriously and given "respect" that you feel you deserve.

    Pons and fleishman come to mind...
     
  8. AmnonMikeCohen
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    Thank you STUMBLE but there is more to it yet

    Stumble, you seem to be more familiar with patent law then most people, and as a commercial litigation practitioner, I like to point to you about the problem after a patent has shown success at the market place, which is what I am ready for, in my strategic business development which seems to frustrate the readership here while I must continue in protecting my future partners and clients.

    I have applied for a patent in 1991, and am first to invent, first to apply as well as first not to publish, and was working with the advice of my original patent lawyer.
    If my patent was issued 17 years ago, I would have now 3 years left, and none of the investors I had shared information with were concerned about the patent being issued, and liked the ideas we shall have the full 20 years as soon as we start.

    While I understand that a better patent is drawn to be as simple as possible, like one simple sentence no one can infringe upon - I am very open to any and all better advice to have a new application which will effectively block any copy-cat from infringing on my discovery and its initial invention.
    Please note, that I found I can infringe on my own as well as on many other existing patents, by the allowable improvements or locating mistakes in the original specifications or disclosure; so while as you suggest that first having a strong patent can be valuable intellectual property to help me find capital or partners, in fact the problem is our financial strength and strategy plus unity to protect our Commercial Project! This is an issue I think you know about also and more so, as it keeps you with workload...

    Yes, I do have something revolutionary to increase performance and safety plus economy, and I have talked with several serious and many prospecting potential investors - yet you are wrong to think that most boat manufacturers would work with an inventor or an invention they can not own; and as I found in the real world in more then ten years, they will not give their eye teeth to radically improve the performance of their vessels, and think in very traditional and skeptical ways, while fighting to keep and develop market share in this very competitive industry.

    There is no R&D needed, and the project is Market Ready, and I even have some stock ready for installation and even have/had about 80 orders already, and in fact it is worth a lot and is known to be very commercially viable. There is a new science related to the more advanced knowhow I own, and it is part of our planed leadership in the industry as we know there will be copies and competition by envious interests, but these same people are not contacting me for being in the driver seat and seem to like to follow where we may lead the industry...

    :!: So please note, YES, I like to have your referral for an attorney who is wise and capable of helping our effectively blocking any copy-cats or pirates or reverse-engineers we know will come after us...

    :) Thank you for your supportive and understanding way and actual help offered.
     
  9. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    Investors or Partners have this first right, not the public

    Investors or Partners have this first right, not the public

     
  10. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    You are correct in your comment and there is more

    YES, Masalai You are correct in your comment in the era of First to Invent and First to File Patent Laws, and there is more when it is in the Global Maritime Industry which goes well beyond north American markets, as I have answered our member Stumble, which is related to the actual needed Commercial PROTECTION, and there are few ways to achieve the Commercial Protection, by Patent Insurance, Financial Strength and Strategic Business Plan, all of which are part of my project - as low-risk taking honest businessmen must be much smarter and much more careful in business.

     
  11. daiquiri
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    Amnon, I'd just like to know the following. You claim that your idea has been verified and tested. Actually, you said that you have some of your devices ready for installation and delivery.
    It means that you can answer these questions without endangering your intellectual property rights:
    1) is your invention related to some innovative hull form, propulsion, energy source, structural materials or a combination of these?
    2) what improvements have you recorded during your tests - is it boat's maximum velocity, range, fuel consumption, seakeeping or a combination of these?
    3) can you quantify the improvements recorded - i.e. the percentual increase in speed, or decrease in fuel consumption, or decrease in the emission of poluting gases, or else?
    4) can you quantify, even approximately, the cost for the production of your device?

    As you can see, I'm asking you things which doesn't require a disclosure of any physical principle or constructive details of your invention - so there is no possibility for your idea to be copied by someone, and you are also safe from any risks related to patent infringements.
     
  12. Ad Hoc
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    Anon
    The pictures are indeed pictures, not sure of the point...???. So it seems your definition of facts is rather different to the rest of us here commenting. A picture does not give me quantitative or even qualitative "information", it is just a one shot image of "something". A picture of something odd flying doesn't instantly mean it is a UFO because a picture exists!
     
  13. eponodyne
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    What the tapdancing ham sandwich are you talking about here?

    Either you're ADD like crazy, or you paid like no attention at all in English class, or you're a snake-oil salesman who learned English by corespondence course.

    Either way, either bring your idea forward for peer review, or quit being such a tool. Your choice.
     
  14. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    YES was my answer to your offer

    :!: YES was my answer, yet you have not shared with me this referral you have suggested, so it may be you have not yet seen my reply or did not see my YES at the end of my reply which was addressing all your massage to me.
     

  15. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    NOT A UFO but flying by marine and not aviation propulsion

    :!: The point the pictures demonstrate are of a boat flying by marine propulsion and not by aviation propulsion methods seaplanes employ. What many call flying-boats are actually Seaplanes and not boats.

    :idea: You are not looking at Artistic or Science Fiction pictures, but at real pictures of a bot without wake which does not plow through the water but is lifted by the invented fins to fly on top of the water.
     
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