How to design aluminum dinghy

Barry's last sentence probably the most important one, and one I often overlook.

What kind of tools do you have at you're disposal? What aluminum services do you have in the area? And what's your relative comfort?
What the various aluminum processes?
 
I plan to build it from 11 or 10 Ga 5052-H32 alu (0.090'' or 0.100'' thick) in order to shave a bit of weight compare to 0.125''.
Actually, Solidworks give me a weight of around 170 lbs, so I expect 190-200 lbs when finish.
Also, I would form the C part of the D with a 1 inch extra bend at the end of the C, so that this tab extends down from the top 1 inch and 1 inch up from the bottom of the C.
Then form the vertical section of the D, insert it behind the two 1 inch tabs and make up the weld. This then provides a fillet weld as compared to a butt weld.
I have to confirm with laser cut/bending company, but I expect to build them out of a single sheet. There will have some deformation for the last bend, but it's fully acceptable... at least for me.
Like in picture below with the die in blue.
If you have to use any butt welds assembling the tube to tube, insert a backing plate at the joint and have the two profiles fit overtop. Again, this can, when welded correctly, provide an easy method to make up a joint with full penetration. ( as compared to a butt well only)
I plan butt weld with some reinforcement by the exterior. Maybe handle near the joint or something like this. To me, esthetic pass way after toughness, reliability and easy to repair.
You mentioned that you are going to weld it yourself. What is your experience with welding aluminum, tig mig. etc
Tig weld aluminum since almost 20 years now, but rarely. This will be the biggest aluminum job I have ever done.
 

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What kind of tools do you have at you're disposal? What aluminum services do you have in the area?
I have a 200A TIG AC/DC and laser cut and bending will be done in a large shop (800 workers) I work with since many years.
 
Gotcha, helps tailor advice. Some guys are cutting plate by hand with saws and welding with with budget migs, big difference if you have easy access to cnc bending and laser cutting....
 
I have to confirm with laser cut/bending company, but I expect to build them out of a single sheet. There will have some deformation for the last bend, but it's fully acceptable... at least for me.
Like in picture below with the die in blue.

The aluminum will just spring back after the final bend is done if your drawing is accurate.

I plan butt weld with some reinforcement by the exterior. Maybe handle near the joint or something like this. To me, esthetic pass way after toughness, reliability and easy to repair.

Much better to use a 1 inch wide by .125 backing strip. Simply tack it onto one side of the joint, and slip the other side over it, then weld it. The backing will allow more heat a wider bead
and much better strength.

Tig weld aluminum since almost 20 years now, but rarely. This will be the biggest aluminum job I have ever done.
Generally I am not a fan of Tig with thicker aluminum mainly because the weld speed is slower and the heat can cause distortion ahead of the weld bead and you in essence can weld in
distortion. Kevin Morin, (he does not seem to be around anymore) said that he often Migs .100 with good success. At .100 Tig can give you a good weld, but you need to control the distortion.

With Mig, when you begin an extending bead, you need to ensure that you have cut the crater out to ensure that there are not any voids. If you have access to the back of the weld, it is good
to back cut (with saw a skil saw) the bead before welding the back. Again, to ensure that there are not any voids.
You can open the search box at the right hand side of the page and insert Kevin Morin and it will show all of his contributions about aluminum boat welding. It will take you to quite a few aluminum boat building threads which contains a lot of good advice.


Below is an excerpt from a thread in 2015. A bit long but is food for thought.
small welded aluminum row boats

Fritzdfk,
those are some good questions so I'll make a stab at some (hopefully good) answers. First, I agree mostly with gonzo's remarks as regard stitch-n-glue requires developed panels layout as does sheet metal. Aluminum, generally, requires the same flat sheet panel outlines that will curve into flats & cones & cylindrical development from the flat sheet metal origins.

what is not addressed (2nd) is the welding part of the concept. Unfortunately for welding smaller thinner metal boats- welding aluminum comes in three groups; < .100" (#1); 0.125" < 0.50" (#2) ; 1.0"<THICKER (#3).

Welding ease (skill level) = #1 is 10 to 100 times more difficult than #2. # 3 is not important for the boats in question. Welding equipment is ten to a hundred times more critical for category #1 welding.

Therefore, while I agree that any ply stitch and glue row boat design or kit would convert to welded aluminum that implies case #1 welding; (so) it would make a world of difference who tried to weld and with what exact equipment in that category.

So what can we use to compare and help understand this circumstance? Let's refer to what is done by the thin scantling small aluminum builders; they don't weld. And the reason is that the cost of that skill level and equipment is not as cheap as press forming and riveting those thinner materials.

That is why you see a riveted planing skiff being used now as the tender. IN order to handle thin aluminum cost effectively they choose one or two simple widely appealing designs (your row boat in question) and make millions of them to afford exotically expensive tooling needed to make the boat affordable.

What can be done, well- if you already have good welding skills (I'd have to say that a minimum of 1,000 hours of welding begins 'good skills') and you have the needed TIG or MIG welding equipment and can spend time graduating decent or good skills to a higher level? (I'd have to say that was another 500 t0 1,000 hours in thinner work and exercises) THEN.... I'd say you can follow gonzo's concept of getting a successful stitch and glue boat and make it from sheet aluminum- welding it together.

I'd like to make some further examples of some hurdles thin material presents. Willy-Boat on this Coast and many other builders build thin wall welded boats using 0.080" and other thin aluminum and they weld their boats.

BUTTT... (you knew this was coming) this group of builders own a series of extrusions (own their own dies and control the sales of those shapes) that allow the sheet edges to be inserted into the heavy wall extrusion at the chine and the sheer so the open dories are welded in lap welds. Those extrusions are not generally for sale as they are proprietary to each welded drift dory maker (welder) so copying their design or build is very difficult when a newer/low hour welded is presented with two sheet edges that are 0.080" or even 0.100" thick.

I'm reporting facts of life regarding aluminum welding both MIG and TIG, as I know them, of course always willing to learn how to work in thin stuff better but here's my efforts.

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This 1"=1'-0" model of 0.040", 0.060" and 0.080" is a seascape of welded aluminum I built as a memorial for a friend's son's passing. I welded for plural decades before I welded this and it was still pretty taxing to weld this little boat.

For any welders reading, and for others I did the project using a cold wire feed TIG Gun that made it possible for me to do this work, I could not and don't personally know anyone who could have done this work with free hand/two hand TIG.

I'm not saying all small boats of the class you're proposing to discuss are this thin, but the scantlings of that boat would be in this class unless the boat were to end up being quite heavy. This is category #1 welding required.

Doryfowardquarter.jpg


Its 17' LOA and about 4' wide will haul five people and row from three stations but... its all 0.100" or thinner and weighs about 175. lbs dry without rowing machines or oars.

portoarlock_2a.jpg

So... you've asked about thin small rowing boats, I'm very interested in working in this end of welded aluminum boats. I've shown a few examples of my work to help you weigh my 'credentials' pointing to the welding critical path going forward with your project.


The issue is aluminum welding scalability or weld proportionality to the parent metal's cross section. If anyone welds depositing cross sections much larger than the parent metals' (very common in aluminum) the resulting boat can be distorted, beyond homely and potentially dangerous depending on the lack of skills and knowledge of the welder.
 
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I really like that boat. Your advice is sound. Welding thin aluminum is not easy and the reason most canoes and small skiffs are riveted. I often wondered about using adhesives with chines, bow stem, etc. fabricated of angle rolled to shape.
 
Hi
I'm looking for advices to build an aluminum dinghy. I'm looking way more about the dinghy part and not much on aluminum part.
So I designed a 3D model largely inspired by GoDu and Odysea dinghy (picture below).
I actually use a old and tired Caribe C10 and I'm looking for similar size and usability.
What make a good and useful dinghy? Here some question I have to start:

-Angle and position of the transom?
-Seat in the middle? Removable? With compartment under the seat?
Handles can be fixed by welding for strength, though threading holes in the tubes or floating compartment is also acceptable if done with care. For the floor surface, consider adding EVA foam or textured paint for grip, similar to materials used in an automatic dog feeder base to prevent slipping.
-Seating surfaces. How to keep them cold under the sun. What material can be use and how to fix it on aluminum.
-Front compartment for battery or gas tank and other stuff. Good or bad idea?
-How to protect the external sidewall? How to fix protector over the aluminum?
-Paint or not.

Let start with that.
When building an aluminum dinghy, the transom angle should typically be around 12 to 15 degrees to suit standard outboard motors and help with performance on the water. A removable middle seat is a good idea, especially if you can integrate storage space beneath it. For handles, welding is ideal for strength, but you can also use threaded inserts with marine sealant if welding isn’t an option. To keep the floor safe and grippy, consider non-slip marine paint or EVA foam, which also provides comfort. Seat surfaces can get hot under the sun, so light-colored EVA foam or cushions secured with snaps or Velcro work well. A front compartment for batteries or fuel is useful as long as it doesn’t throw off the balance of the boat. To protect the exterior sidewalls, rubber rub rails can be riveted or glued on using marine-grade adhesive. Painting isn’t strictly necessary, but marine paint or powder coating will offer corrosion resistance and a cleaner look. Let me know if you want help refining the design or choosing materials.
 
Hi
I'm looking for advices to build an aluminum dinghy. I'm looking way more about the dinghy part and not much on aluminum part.
So I designed a 3D model largely inspired by GoDu and Odysea dinghy (picture below).
I actually use a old and tired Caribe C10 and I'm looking for similar size and usability.
What make a good and useful dinghy? Here some question I have to start:

-Angle and position of the transom?
-Seat in the middle? Removable? With compartment under the seat?
-Handles, how to fix them? Thread holes in the tubes/floating compartment is it acceptable? Weld?
-Floor surface. How to have grip?
-Seating surfaces. How to keep them cold under the sun. What material can be use and how to fix it on aluminum.
-Front compartment for battery or gas tank and other stuff. Good or bad idea?
-How to protect the external sidewall? How to fix protector over the aluminum?
-Paint or not.

Let start with that.

This is such a cool project, did you ever got it made? Would love to see the finish product
 
A friend was building similar boats commercially from 8' to 18' and they were great for purpose, but cruising yachtsmen didn't like the weight or the HP requirements, however fishermen liked their ruggedness as a tender.

A forum member sells plans for a lightweight foam cored catamaran dinghy that performs well with tiny outboards. His email & Youtube channel are in the post linked below.
power catamaran tender build https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/power-catamaran-tender-build.69972/#post-977557
 
This is such a cool project, did you ever got it made? Would love to see the finish product
No.
I was really excited at first when designing this dingy, but weight and cost kill the project.
I was simply looking to have a correct/acceptable dingy for short term (1-2 years) and I realized this kind of product can cost 1k$ used and weight less than 100 lbs.
Aluminum option is awesome and will last, but cost near 1k$ for material/bending alone and weight over 150 lbs (from memory) :confused:
 
No.
I was really excited at first when designing this dingy, but weight and cost kill the project.
I was simply looking to have a correct/acceptable dingy for short term (1-2 years) and I realized this kind of product can cost 1k$ used and weight less than 100 lbs.
Aluminum option is awesome and will last, but cost near 1k$ for material/bending alone and weight over 150 lbs (from memory) :confused:
The aluminium is very good material as are composites.Both wrong used in mass production .
 
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