How Much Weight Can the Boat Float?

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  1. yaasaay
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    yaasaay Junior Member

    hi guys


    can you tell me how can I calculate the capacity of float?

    How Much Weight Can the Boat Float?


    I know how to calculate the density of the boat but after that :confused:

    for example

    a canoe with dimension :
    depth is 33 cm
    and length is 366 cm
    and width is 104 cm

    and wight is 22 kg

    then the volume is 33*366*104 = 1256112 cm^3

    and to convert to m3 we division by 1000000

    so V=1.256112 m^3


    the density rule is (mass of steel hull + mass of enclosed air) / volume

    remember the mass of enclosed air equal to 29

    so
    the density of the boat is ( 22 kg + 29 kg) / (1.256112 m^3) = 40.6kg/m^3

    the density of water is 1000 kg/m^3

    HERE I don't know how to calculate the capacity

    the site calculate the capacity about 317 kg


    look
    http://www.acaldesigns.com/bhp/oldtown_canoes/stillwater_12/stillwater_12.html

    I convert all the dimension from in and feet to meter and cm


    and please correct me if there is mistakes
     
  2. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    You need to see what the rules, if any, ask for first. The rules will specify: reserve floatation, minimum freeboard, etc.
     
  3. Submarine Tom

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    So, 1.256 m cubed = 1256 kg.

    Your canoe will float 1256 kg of total weight (mass) including the weight of the canoe, air, people, coffee cups, paddles, etc.

    But at 1257 kg it will flood and sink. So, 500 kg is probably a safe limit minus all of the above. Therefore, maybe 250 kg?

    -Tom
     
  4. daiquiri
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Only true if the that canoe is not a canoe but a rectangular block. The number you have obtained has to be multiplied by a so-called "block coefficient", which will depend on the shape of your hull.

    Take a look at this site which eloquently explains the meaning of this coefficient (and many others too): http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/smhydro/hydro.htm
     
  5. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Look folks, wet nursing this fellow isn't going to help him. He's asked for just about every basic calculation and specification you can imagine thus far and I'm afraid someday he'll present his newly built masterpiece, 40 passengers and guests will board and the thing will drown 30 of them, because he refused to absorb the necessary disciplines.
     
  6. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Eureka!!!
     
  7. yaasaay
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    yaasaay Junior Member

    PAR really I don't know why you don't like me

    Always when I asked something you want just to go out of the subject
    And why do you think I don't have some basic things ?
    do you think I write this thread before I read about it

    I read but still there is somethings passive

    and I can guess what you will response "" you asked for just about every basic.....''''


    thanks
     
  8. gonzo
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    Par thinks you don't have the basic knowledge because you are, for example, calculating the volume of a canoe as a rectangular prism. I agree with him.
     
  9. daiquiri
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  10. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Well actually Im quite impressed, I could not learn something so complicated in another language based on a different alphabet. Not to save my life.

    I cant help him but im still impressed. I think you should cut him a bit of slack.

    If I could help you yassay I would.
     
  11. yaasaay
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    yaasaay Junior Member

    Frosty Thanks for your response
     
  12. daiquiri
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    I think Yaasay's questions have always been answered so far...
     
  13. Saildude
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    Saildude Junior Member

    Nice set of links for the Dummies Guide - Bookmarked - Thanks much!!
     
  14. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Your going to eventually come to the conclusion that designing a boat of any kind takes some pretty serious skill in order to get it right and not end up swimming. There are tons of good designs out there, you'd be money and time ahead by looking through them. I got the bug early on as well but eventually sorta came to my senses, sorta, eventually, maybe, not.

    There is a guy in here Stan aka ancient kayaker who would probably be able to direct you to some yak plans that are easy for a beginner to figure out.
     

  15. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    What we take for granted in most of the western world is certification, regulation and registration systems, imbedded in the industry to insure things are done properly. This isn't to say a novice couldn't manage to design a functioning jon boat, but it is to say that based on the type and number of questions you've posed so far Yaasaay, you have no where near the elementary skill levels necessary to design anything, including a boat.

    I mean no disrespect in this observation, which I've previously stated, but would you travel to the top floor of a 50 story building in an elevator designed by someone who don't have 8th grade math skills? How about riding in an airplane at 25,000', designed by a guy that asked "how long should I make the wings on this project" prior to building?

    Just like aircraft and elevators, boats place humans in an unnatural environment, one in which a problem or design flaw, can leave the people fighting for their lives, if not drowned. It's this basic premise that I assert my disdain for the free information offering you've gathered here. It's one thing to show you've the ability to understand the concepts and principles and the reasonable educational skills to absorb them, but you have not shown these skills. In fact, just the opposite and a complete lack of the necessary and rudimentary math skills necessary, not to mention engineering basics or hydrodynamics concerns. This scares the hell out of me and should also, anyone that dares ride with you, in your eventual boat.
     
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