How many layers of which type of fiberglass

I have to admit to being unable to find specific reference to use above the waterline only and would expect anybody cladding the hull to use much the same laminate throughout.I've never,ever seen CSM of less than 225gsm,so I'm a bit puzzled by references to 50gsm.Mat over here was traditionally specified in oz/sq.ft which may have faded away but 2oz mat is 600gsm and I think some confusion may have crept in.I do know one or two aeromodeIlers who would perhaps be interested in 50gsm cloth and a link to such might help them.

General purpose marine laminating resin should be adequate for priming and subsequent laminating.
 
If @Tom Peach is still with us, it would be fun to see more pics/plans/design of the houseboat and to confirm the hull is being glassed inside and out and what the plan is for finishing the topsides.
 
+1 re @Tops request above - @Tom Peach please do post some more details, plans, sketches, thoughts......

Edit - I saw this neat houseboat mentioned on Facebook this evening..... :)

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I have to admit to being unable to find specific reference to use above the waterline only and would expect anybody cladding the hull to use much the same laminate throughout.I've never,ever seen CSM of less than 225gsm,so I'm a bit puzzled by references to 50gsm.Mat over here was traditionally specified in oz/sq.ft which may have faded away but 2oz mat is 600gsm and I think some confusion may have crept in.I do know one or two aeromodeIlers who would perhaps be interested in 50gsm cloth and a link to such might help them.

General purpose marine laminating resin should be adequate for priming and subsequent laminating.
The reason you couldn't find it is that it was not there. I was having trouble wrapping my head around the use of OSB below the waterline, so I assumed this was a house on a barge type, not a boat. My mistake. Not too bright.

I am a dinosaur. I learned how to sheath a small boat before there was an internet. You could go years without seeing a strip canoe. There were only two or three at the Mystic Small Craft Workshop when Andy brought Sister Suzy and I brought a ADK guideboat. John Gardner was there, but the workshop wasn't named after him yet. Non-air inhibited polyester resin was not readily available to the general public, and epoxy was either mail order or you had to figure out what to use from the local industrial supplier. The few people who knew anything knew that fiberglass would peel easily from wood if you used polyester. As far as I know, no one tried air inhibited resin and no one tried soaking the wood before applying the cloth. 30 years of hearing about consistent failures leads you to the conclusion that there is no reason to look at polyester for sheathing wood, so I stopped looking. Somewhere in the last 20 years it appears that someone solved the problem. I remain skeptical, and if you know it works, you can call me set in my ways. Speaking of set in my ways, I would argue against the pontoons based on my prejudices and the difference in draft, so not a strong argument.

For a similar discussion How much fiberglass over plywood? - Cruisers & Sailing Forums https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f55/how-much-fiberglass-over-plywood-24979.html

I have used 6 0z (142 gsm) plain~weave cloth to cover plywood on a pontoon hull. It adds very little strength. The tensile strength of 6 oz style 7255 cloth in the warp or weft direction is 300 pounds per linear inch of width in a single layer (pli) {(~135 kgf per cm) What is the SI unit used?}. In comparison Open mold 1700 and 1708 have tensile strengths of about 1260 and 1410 pli respectively. The difference can be attributed to the mat, so 8 oz mat appears to contribute 144 pli. The data sheets show tensile strength in psi (0.00689 MPa), so the pli figures above are multiplied by the nominal thickness of one layer. The hexcel reinforcement handbook shows that the relationship between weight and strength is not always consistent, so the 300 lb figure only applies to style 7255 and similar weight '6 oz' fabrics can vary by as much as 50 to 100 pli.

As a dinosaur, I am familiar with woven cloth and since I deal with small craft, woven roving or heavy biaxial cloth is of no interest except for patching rust holes on a car. Rather than asking for misinformation from fellow internet experts, I decided to look up the properties of 1708 cloth. I found the usual conflicting information about binders in the mat layer and the weight of the mat layer. Sometimes one site gave conflicting answers for both properties on the same page. Vectorply has datasheets. There appears to be no need for binder because the mat is stitched. The mat weight is 8 oz per square yard, not 3/4 oz. The consensus on various forums seems to be that while the mat should be compatible with epoxy, it is more difficult to wet out with epoxy and it is generally easier to work wit 1708 with polyester and 1700 with epoxy.

2 oz CSM is available, in the States anyway, but I will not recommend it as anything more than a coating to prevent the plywood from checking. While counting on a thin layer of cloth on the bottom to resist anything harder than water is not recommended, 2 oz CSM is not something I would try on the hull. 6 oz cloth is the minimum as long as you don't hit anything with it. Once you start bumping things, 1708 or 1808 is barely adequate.

1808 is 0/90 and 1708 +45/-45 are essentially the same except for fiber orientation. The difference is that the long fibers are 0.11 oz heavier in 1708. Open mold 1708 or 1808 biaxial cloth with polyester resin have a tensile strength in the fiber direction of about 1300 to 1400 pli. When you look at the datasheet, the heading says open mold 45° and for 1808 it only says open mold. What they are not spelling out is that they tested both types in the fiber direction for one of the layers, not the long axis of the cloth. When tested at 45° to the fiber direction, o/90 or +-45 fiberglass cloth sheets such as G-10 have a tensile strength of about 1/4 of that in the fiber direction. The mat layer complicates any estimate because it adds a fair amount of strength in all directions and there are no direct comparisons available on the Vectorply site. The best I can do is look at quadraxial E-QXM-3508, which is similar to 1808 stacked on top of E-BX 1200. The difference in strength is only about 7%, so the loss in strength due to the off axis fibers is smaller than I would expect. I would still like to see the bias cloth tested on the long axis rather than at 45°.

Why choose 1808, 1800, 1708 or 1700? The differences are fiber orientation and the presence or absence of mat. The 45° should drape more easily over a corner, but that can be controlled by rotating the cloth, which can be inconvenient. The GSM layer is apparently more beneficial for interlaminar strength with polyester and does not affect handling. Epoxy does not wet out the GSM layer as easily according to several sources. The mat adds 77% to the thickness and 69% to the weight of a single open mold layer, possibly less for multiple layers, without affecting the strength per layer much. For a single layer of cloth, the added thickness and consequent reduction in tensile strength for a given overall thickness is not an issue.

Videos
How to fiberglass over plywood with 1708 and polyester. Note the importance of the radius on corners.
Applying fiberglass overhead with 1708 and polyester. Now here there is an advantage with poly.
 
Thanks for those plentiful references.The 2ox mat link got my hopes up,because I genuinely am interested in ultralight materials and thus it was a bit of a let down to click the further link to the page devoted to 2oz mat and find this:

CHOPPED STRAND MAT IS EXPRESSED IN OUNCES PER SQUARE FOOT, NOT LIKE REGULAR FIBERGLASS CLOTH WHICH IS EXPRESSED IN OUNCES PER SQUARE YARD.

I suppose I will have to stick to light cloth for the time being and it isn't too hard to find in 120-130 gsm weights over here.My aeromodelling friends use this sort of thing for a tiny bit of reinforcement:
25g/m² Ultra Lightweight Close Weave Glass Cloth, 1.1 metre wide. | Bucks Composites https://www.bucks-composites.com/products/25gm2-ultra-lightweight-close-weave-glass-cloth-11-metre-wide .They are realistic enough to know that it will help with minor knocks and scrapes but in the event of a terminal dive into the ground,it isn't actually much help.
 
Thanks for those plentiful references.The 2ox mat link got my hopes up,because I genuinely am interested in ultralight materials and thus it was a bit of a let down to click the further link to the page devoted to 2oz mat and find this:

CHOPPED STRAND MAT IS EXPRESSED IN OUNCES PER SQUARE FOOT, NOT LIKE REGULAR FIBERGLASS CLOTH WHICH IS EXPRESSED IN OUNCES PER SQUARE YARD.

I suppose I will have to stick to light cloth for the time being and it isn't too hard to find in 120-130 gsm weights over here.My aeromodelling friends use this sort of thing for a tiny bit of reinforcement:
25g/m² Ultra Lightweight Close Weave Glass Cloth, 1.1 metre wide. | Bucks Composites https://www.bucks-composites.com/products/25gm2-ultra-lightweight-close-weave-glass-cloth-11-metre-wide .They are realistic enough to know that it will help with minor knocks and scrapes but in the event of a terminal dive into the ground,it isn't actually much help.
Arrgh! You caught me flat footed again. You made me dig through my old bookmarks for mat, and I don't even like mat. On top of that, you're in the UK, so it is even worse. Good catch though, I hadn't read the description. Oz per square foot? Who does that?

This is all I have to offer for UK suppliers:
Lightweight 100 gsm chopped strand mat (CSM) using an emulsion binder for use with polyester and vinylester resins. They also have 35gsm glass surface tissue and an epoxy compatible 300 gsm CSM.

Thayercraft usually has good descriptions for their cloth including weave type and finish. They may ship to the UK. They do carry some light cloth for RC models 0.56, 1.43 and 2.1 oz. The style numbers generally correspond to the Hexcell handbook linked above.
 
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3/4 oz per sqft is

3/4 oz/sqft • 9 sqft/sqyd or 27/4 oz per sq yard. Call it 7 to keep it simple; not to mention the air voids in the mat drink resin like a thirsty horse.
 
So here is the designed so far

And by the way I have decided to build in in marine plywood and use epoxy because it is 100% waterproof
 

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Nice renderings Tom.
Do you have any views of the hull itself?
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I highly recommend for that large structure; you hire a Naval Architect or buy a stock plan for stitch n glue hull that large and then modify the cabin to your liking; respecting moments and weight, if you can find one that big in a monocoque design.

Too much money and too much risk of failure.

The biggest houseboat on boat builder central is a 27 footer. Yours is an order of magnitude larger.

The hull you propose is not arbitrary to determine the glass schedule or the core. It will also require a tabbing schedule, longitudinal stringers and transverse bulkheads and bonding to the sole to reduce torsion. As a wood hull, you'll need to determine if you intend to beach the bow. A wooden hull will require sacrificial timber to beach.

39'x 13' with 4' hullsides is 47 by 21 feet laid down or 110 yards. If you used 2 layers of 1708 on each side or 3 layers of db1700; it js about 100 oz epoxy per yard. This is 11,000 ounces of epoxy, let's call it 100 gallons of epoxy with fillets and some, but not all the tabbing. This is $20,000 in epoxy for the hull alone; nothing much else and maybe not tabbing. Let's say someone here tells you to add a layer of 17 oz glass; it is a $3,333 advice for the epoxy alone.

So, you are getting into serious cost/weight decisions that will affect the vessel performance (too heavy) and the pocket.

The cost for an existing design for something close will be peanuts.

There is a fellow in my marina that bought a previously sunken aluminum hull comparable to your size for $5,000 and had it shipped to a boatyard for $8,000 for a total cost of $13,000.

To build the hull you proposed is about a year of work and then you'll need a gantry crane to flip it or you'll end up killing the neighbor. The plywood is 3000 pounds and 2000 pounds of epoxy and glass and 1000-2000 pounds of transverse and long ts. The thing is going to be about 6000-7000 pounds before you flip it. The guy in the boatyard stripped the aluminum carcass in October and is already finished with all the interior walls and was fitting a water heater about Jan 26. Windows were in months ago as it is winter here.
 
Hercules concrete shells . The Dutch build floating concrete barges , maybe someone in UK is doing the same , or maybe Hercules delivers . Buy a shell and stick a prefab ( trailer ) on it .
 
I read the other original thread thru now and feel it's gonna cost every part of $100-200k minimum especially with the reference given so any attempts to cut cost by sacrificing quality of build material in the hull are unacceptable and futile in the long run. It's an exceptional first build to say the least, I am not one to dash optimism away though just be sure what you are getting into and note that attempting to expatriate the work instead of do it thru proper avenues in your home nation is a notable first checkpoint in what could be a very large costly mistake you've been working at for a few years. With that said I do not want to discourage from the project only warning that from a guy that builds boats half that size and a fraction the beam in width it's an incredibly optimistic undertaking and I fear for your sake and the potential outcome of failure of a hull you are kinda starting off on the wrong foot with it unless you have the budget ready and not afraid to use it basically. That corner cannot be cut by any of us if we like it or not. Neither should licensing, most especially, try to be avoided. That is a heck of a can of worms. Do it right the first time or not even begin IMO

A simple approach would be to find a boatyard willing to do a custom bare hull and then you can outfit that from there but the price will be way huger than starting with an old barge etc which I agree would be a good starting piece and save possibly enormous sums in the process, which you're gonna need for interior and logistics such as establishing the company to run the airbnb thru as well and I'm not sure about Europe but across USA every harbor will require insurance on a vessel for even overnite stay
 
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