how about a oil spill clean up design?

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  1. Squidly-Diddly
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    and what about this report that it was a North Korean mini-sub that sunk the rig in Gulf of Mexico???



    US Orders Blackout Over North Korean Torpedoing Of Gulf Of Mexico Oil Rig
    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
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    A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States has ordered a complete media blackout over North Korea’s torpedoing of the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned by the World’s largest offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean economy, and an environmental catastrophe to the United States.
    Most important to understand about this latest attack by North Korea against its South Korean enemy is that under the existing “laws of war” it was a permissible action as they remain in a state of war against each other due to South Korea’s refusal to sign the 1953 Armistice ending the Korean War.
    To the attack itself, these reports continue, the North Korean “cargo vessel” Dai Hong Dan believed to be staffed by 17th Sniper Corps “suicide” troops left Cuba’s Empresa Terminales Mambisas de La Habana (Port of Havana) on April 18th whereupon it “severely deviated” from its intended course for Venezuela’s Puerto Cabello bringing it to within 209 kilometers (130 miles) of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform which was located 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of the US State of Louisiana where it launched an SSC Sang-o Class Mini Submarine (Yugo class) estimated to have an operational range of 321 kilometers (200 miles).
    On the night of April 20th the North Korean Mini Submarine manned by these “suicidal” 17th Sniper Corps soldiers attacked the Deepwater Horizon with what are believed to be 2 incendiary torpedoes causing a massive explosion and resulting in 11 workers on this giant oil rig being killed outright. Barely 48 hours later, on April 22nd , this North Korean Mini Submarine committed its final atrocity by exploding itself directly beneath the Deepwater Horizon causing this $1 Billion oil rig to sink beneath the seas and marking 2010’s celebration of Earth Day with one of the largest environmental catastrophes our World has ever seen.
    To the reason for North Korea attacking the Deepwater Horizon, these reports say, was to present US President Obama with an “impossible dilemma” prior to the opening of the United Nations Review Conference of the Parties to the Treat on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) set to begin May 3rd in New York.
    This “impossible dilemma” facing Obama is indeed real as the decision he is faced with is either to allow the continuation of this massive oil leak catastrophe to continue for months, or immediately stop it by the only known and proven means possible, the detonation of a thermonuclear device.
    Russian Navy atomic experts in these reports state that should Obama choose the “nuclear option” the most viable weapon at his disposal is the United States B83 (Mk-83) strategic thermonuclear bomb having a variable yield (Low Kiloton Range to 1,200 Kilotons) which with its 12 foot length and 18 inch diameter, and weighing just over 2,400 pounds, is readily able to be deployed and detonated by a remote controlled mini-sub.
    Should Obama choose the “nuclear option” it appears that he would be supported by the International Court of Justice who on July 8, 1996 issued an advisory opinion on the use of nuclear weapons stating that they could not conclude definitively on these weapons use in “extreme circumstances” or “self defense”.
    On the other hand, if Obama chooses the “nuclear option” it would leave the UN’s nuclear conference in shambles with every Nation in the World having oil rigs off their coasts demanding an equal right to atomic weapons to protect their environment from catastrophes too, including Iran.
    To whatever decision Obama makes it remains a fact that with each passing hour this environmental catastrophe grows worse. And even though Obama has ordered military SWAT teams to protect other oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico from any further attack, and further ordered that all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico be immediately stopped, this massive oil spill has already reached the shores of America and with high waves and more bad weather forecast the likelihood of it being stopped from destroying thousands of miles of US coastland and wildlife appears unstoppable.
    And not just to the environmental catastrophe that is unfolding the only devastation to be wrecked upon the United States and South Korea by this North Korean attack as the economic liabilities associated with this disaster are estimated by these Russian reports to be between $500 Billion to $1.5 Trillion, and which only a declaration of this disaster being an “act of war” would free some the World’s largest corporations from bankruptcy.
    Important to note too in all of these events was that this was the second attack by North Korea on its South Korean enemy, and US ally, in a month as we had reported on in our March 28th report titled “Obama Orders ‘Immediate Stand-down’ After Deadly North Korean Attack” and which to date neither the Americans or South Korea have retaliated for and giving one senior North Korean party leader the courage to openly state that the North Korean military took “gratifying revenge” on South Korea.
    And for those believing that things couldn’t get worse, they couldn’t be more mistaken as new reports coming from Japanese military sources are stating that North Korea is preparing for new launches of its 1,300 kilometer (807 miles) intermediate range ballistic “Rodong” missile which Russian Space Forces experts state is able to “deploy and detonate” an atomic electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device, and which if detonated high in the atmosphere could effectively destroy the American economy for years, if not decades, to come.
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    Commies stick together. Be careful who you put into office. They should have let the oil burn instead of dousing our sealife, but they are too incompetent. They howl for decades for power but have no idea how to lead once they get it. They are a bunch of boobs doing all they can to hurt us as a nation. Lay waste to North Korea if this is proven true.

    Update: The head of BP said the disaster was due to the failure of some equipment. He made no connection to terrorist act.
     
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    Of course, historically, it is far likely it was a "false flag"

    and the whole thing was to create an excuse to go after North Korea.


    I never understood why they were doing "test burns" with bad weather coming in fast. What is there to "test" and even if it didn't work shouldn't they being doing everything ASAP?

    Same with Exxon Valdez where they were doing 'tests' of the dispersant, and then waiting for a day or so to go look at the results.
     
  5. mark775

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    I believe dispersants should be criminal. They need to figure out a way to contain and capture. In the mean time, get the "lights" burning. I don't think Obama wants an excuse to go after North Korea. Being afraid of his own shadow and not quite finished with his first world-wide apology tour for everything anyone may not like about the U.S., I could see him bombing conservative Americans before another country. Nope, I figure Isreal, some part of the southern U.S. and Alaska or Hawaii would need to be glowing before Obama cries "but I trusted you" and retaliates!
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    i agree with you problem with "dispersants"

    hardy "cleaning up" the mess, and several scientists were saying it would only make it longer lasting as the lighter oil WILL rise to the surface.

    Historically, Israel has been behind most "false flags" against the US/UK.

    King David Hotel, Lavon Affair, USS Liberty. Only when a dual US/Israeli Michael Chertoff was put in charge of the investigations(WTC 1993, and WTC 2001) was it even possible for the US Govt to CLAIM it was really, really, really actual "terrorists".

    I've heard "our" rigs didn't have an automatic sound sensing auto-shutoff valve that Norwegian rigs all have. That was due to lobbying of course, and big oil has been allowed to do whatever in the Gulf.

    At least "our" oil spill is heading for our shores and not Mexico, not that PEMEX doesn't have the worst rep in the world for spilling and dumping year in, year out.
     
  7. mark775

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    The Norwegians already had their spills to encourage the remote shut-off device and other security features. That device alone, I understand, costs a half-mil. Also, they are swimming in oil, everyone looks and talks alike, are a more "maritime" nation, there the general populous is more in tune with the oceans and appreciates the needs to protect. Easy to come to agreement there compared to the U.S. I imagine they had this discussion long ago in a public forum whereas discussions here were between oil exec and CG. "WHY DID THE THING EXPLODE?" is the biggest question, because, until we answer that, we don't know where to look for answers. My guess is that Al Jazeera will post the answer before the New York Times.
     
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    It's those evil dirty Jews again?
    Oh,let me see..they paid Binladen to do the WTC??
    But they actually blew up the towers,those sneaky Jews-right?

    Take your meds and/or just f%#k off to your mosque.
     
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    WestVanHan, according to American FBI, nothing links

    OBL to "9/11".

    Yes, that includes all 3 "OBL videos" that are obviously 3 different people, none of who are OBL.

    Not only would they not get a conviction for purse snatching in any court in USA, the landmark facial features are different enough that the tapes would ensure an acquittal of OBL as the person on the tapes. Not even plastic surgery could account for the differences. You can't move the eyes and mouth.

    7 of 19 of the supposed Hijackers are alive and well and a few have "attempted to connect the American Govt" according to lunatic Muslim terrorist organization called the "BBC".

    The whole False Flag thing isn't strictly Jewish, but it is mostly "Semitic".

    Lawrence of Arabia was astounded and perplexed when he tried to unite and organize Arab tribes in WW1. In their culture you don't win when you "win a battle", you win when you trick or otherwise push your allies into committing their blood and treasure to battle and destruction, while withholding yours. He marveled at the multi-level intrigues of the supposedly "primitive" Arabs and wrote Westerners were as tic-tac-toe players to Chess players.

    Here is a "conspiracy theory": Since Israel has earned such a solid reputation for False Flag attacks, maybe the "terrorists" figure Israel would surely be prime suspect for similar attack. A False-False Flag.
     
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    What the hell does the posts in this thread have to do with the title? Just disguising another conspiracy rant.
     
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    how about spool of inflatable booms dispensed from C-130?

    Tie a small parachute the end of the boom and open the rear door, and let a length spin up the spool so the plane is laying boom as it flys. Sort of like how a wire deploys from wire-guided missile or torpedo.

    I keep hearing about how these spills quickly grow too large to effectively contain, while the Powers That Be ever so slowly marshal the response.

    The booms I've seen all look pretty big and heavy, so this would be something different. Maybe use the buoyancy of the oil itself to give the booms some mass and stability. Invent a one-way trap where the action of wavelets would begin to fill the boom with oil, and thus create a heavy boom with 10% of itself above the surface. Or the same idea but just with absorbant materials in which oil will displace absorbed water and thus make them somewhat buoyant.
     
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    First: let's lay the conspiracy for good so we can think about dealing with the real problem. As far as I know, nobdy has claimed responsibility. Terrorists have a agenda and the point can't be made without claiming "credit". Even if it is someone operating under a false flag to put the blame someplace else, where's the flag? Sorry guys, it was just an accident this time.

    Oil floats to the surface. Just as well, actually - at least you can try to clean it up once it's ruined your shores. Just imagine how much mischief it could do laying on the bottom; fishing would need a century or more to recover instead of - if you are lucky - ten years.

    Booms only work in fairly calm weather; you didn't get lucky this time. The real problem is, the release is on the bottom, very deep. The safety shutoff device, bought from the lowest bidder, doesn't work. The reports said it's 1 km deep, too far down for divers, and it will break up and spread out over a large area before it reaches the surface. However, as the spill is ongoing with no end in sight for months unless someone gets lucky, they will have a chance to try out the booms, that is until the weather turns sour again.

    The bottom line is likely to be that it can't be handled except with highly specialized heavy-duty equipment that doesn't exist and will take many months to create and get into place. Also, if it works as well as the shut-off valve, don't expect good news the first time it is tried.

    So this one looks like it's going to go on and on until a pressure relief well is drilled and/or they can snap it off with explosives. My prediction is, the **** from this one is going to go on and on until ... actually I don't know if it will ever end. Even once it's "stopped" there will probably be seepage for decades. Only way to deal with that, I imagine, would be a kiloton cap of hydraulic cement, but the pressure has to be eliminated before that can be tried and that's going to take months.

    The conspiracy guys are right about one thing: you ain't being told the whole truth!
     
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    The conspiracy bit that involves North Korea is far fetched. A conspiracy hatched by OBL is not nearly as improbable.. Was Lawence of Arabia telling us something that we have heretofore ignored? Those terrorist nut cases may be messed up but they are very shrewd, clever, and determined operatives.

    It seems that the spill is near the beginning of the gulf stream. It is more than a mere possibility that the stream might pick up some of the stuff and carry it south, around the keys, and then northward where the main force of the stream exists. The stream flows dangerously near the southeast shores of Florida. Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, etc... Whooooeeeee! If that happens, we will suffer economic disaster of an unprecedented level. I feel for the watermen of the Louisiana, Alabama, and Missisippi coasts. Right now I'm thinking more about my own eventual fate as a Floridian.

    The Florida legislature has long been at odds with one another because some of them favored near shore drilling off the west coast. Not surprisingly, nary a word is now being spoken by the former proponents.
     
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    I am still a proponent but safety measures MUST be followed.
     

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    I actually know some of the guys who were rescued from the rig, and know a lot of people in the Louisiana oil industry... The word from them is that the explosion was the result of a procedural shortcut that was being taken to speed up the drilling speed. What exacally that shortcut was, to be honest I was told but don't understand well enough to describe.

    As for the shutoffs, there were a lot of failure safes built into the system, however they all failed. Apparently there are sensors and safety valves that should have deployed, but the sinking of the rig on top of the pipe damaged emos, and actually broke the pipe off below others. Right now they have a fleet of UAV's opperating trying to get one of the manual shutoff valves to work, but they are having difficulty getting to it, since there is a drilling rig sitting on top of the work area.

    As for the sonic shutoff valve... I don't know if it would have helped, since so much of the damage caused was from the rig itself as it sank, but don't for an instant think it would have definatly been a solution. It might have worked, but then it could also have been crushed as well.
     
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