Historical multihulls

^^^

You're very welcome of course.

And by the way, I saw that completely inane comment from Alan Block yesterday, after you had written a much better argument re. Groupama C's features, than he had bothered to notice or remember.

And I was there. ;)

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Here's the link to the Herreshoff Museum facebook page I mentioned above, which has this list of the earliest Capt. Nat catamarans (one of the details is that Amaryllis I is listed as being 6 ft shorter than Amaryllis II, so their current prominent photo titled 'Amaryllis' is probably not the original but the later quasi-replica?).

I think both of the engravings (or certainly the first, if you discount the dwarf to windward on Duplex) I posted above seem to make the boats look slightly larger than they were, in fact.


Herreshoff Catamarans:

1. AMARYLLIS - 1875 - sailed in 1876 - 25'
2. JOHN GILPIN - 1877 - 31'
3. TEASER - 1877 - 31'
4. ARION - 1877 - 31'
5. TARANTELLA - 1877 - 33'
6. DUPLEX - 1877 - 31'
7. GOODY-TWO-SHOES - 1877 - 31'
8. LODOLA - 1879 - 31'
9. AMARYLLIS II - 1933 - 33'
 
^^^

You're very welcome of course.

And by the way, I saw that completely inane comment from Alan Block yesterday, after you had written a much better argument re. Groupama C's features, than he had bothered to notice or remember.And I was there. ;)

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Man, I didn't think anybody got that!! Thanks for mentioning it-I appreciate it. My stalker and clean are buddies so I took that that if I posted anything I'd get nailed. But I posted the GC32 stuff anyway. Amazing ! Talk about the inmates running the asylum!
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And,again, your historical stuff is just tremendous......
 
^^^

The historical stuff is kind of fun. While I was going through some old digitized San Francisco papers I came across my grandfather's name, in connection with some local boosterism, and at a time when he must thereafter very quickly have made a 2-3 month journey back to Scandinavia.

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Don't attach too much importance to what is posted in internet forums.

;)
 
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Something I've been meaning to do for ages, is go on Google Earth and see where the 'Duster Photo 2' was taken.

Does this look familiar?

AngelIslandfromBridgewaypromenade.jpg


That's the streetcam view from the south end of the 'Bridgeway Promenade' in Sausalito, looking east towards Angel Island.

:cool:

He was sailing in the direction of what would be the AC34 racecourse, nearby.
 
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I've been looking at more San Francisco ferries, wondering which of them is in the background of the Duster Photo #3.

Here's one, said to have been built in 1894.

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And what is its name? 'Sausalito', of course. The longer name (and the longer plaque on the wheelhouse) matches our photograph pretty well? This ferry operated until 1930, initially ferrying passengers in the daytime and railroad cars at night. These days it is a charming clubhouse in a marina by the Antioch Bridge.
 
What a delightful thread! Some comments on Duster and Zarifa/Zarefa.

Duster: There is indeed precious little published material about Duster. What there is all seems to cover the fall of 1894, leading me to believe that W. L. Oliver's photos also date from around that time and not from the late 1870s as is commonly assumed. Note also, that the dry plate which was a requisite for making photos on the water was not yet common in the 1870s, which lends further support to the notion that the Duster photos date from the 1890s or the 1880s.

Duster was invited to participate in a regatta on Oakland Creek on September 16, 1894:

"The Oakland Navy's regular monthly race went off yesterday [September 16, 1894] with the usual amount of excitement. The start was made at 2 p.m., with twelve at the line, three in the red class and nine in the white. ... In the white class the Fredie was the first to get off, crossing 35 seconds after the gun, followed by the Duster at 37 seconds, the Dreamer at 50 seconds, Flash at 53 seconds, Dan at 1 minute, the Whirlwind at 1 minute and 25 seconds, and the Myth at 1 minute and 35 seconds. ... The Duster led this class all the way around on the first half, and went to the front of the fleet on the work home, winning by over five minutes. She is the catamaran that has been seen in these waters lately, and if pushed yesterday could have done much better. This craft is not one of the regular entries in the navy, but went over the course by courtesy of the committee. The regular winner was the Flash, which won by over two minutes from the Nemesis, with the Dan third. ..." (Source: Anon. "The Navy Race. An Exciting Regatta On Oakland Creek Yesterday." San Francisco Morning Call, September 17, 1894, p. 8.)

The next weekend Duster was present at the regatta of the San Francisco Yacht Club off Sausalito. She capsized before the start and was immediately righted again and continued to sail, but did not race:

"... One of the most peculiar accidents ever witnessed occurred shortly after noon. The catamaran Duster was cavorting about the harbor having a real enjoyable time when a squall struck her opposite Hurricane gulch and turned her over. The captain who is a rare sport was out on the leeward boat with a friend of his and their united weight made the craft topheavy and over she went. The funniest part of the accident was that the men on board did not even get their feet wet. As the catamaran turned they walked up and were on the bottom when the Duster settled down wrong side up with care. A number of boats put out to the scene of disaster and the Rover's dingy was first to reach the inverted Duster. It only required a few minutes to right the catamaran and her sporty skipper was soon wiling away as if nothing had happened. ..." (Source: Anon. "A Great Race and The Wind Played All Sorts of Tricks. Catamaran Capsized and the Grade Turned Over." San Francisco Chronicle, September 24, 1894, p. 8.)

Now to Zarifa/Zarefa: She is the real McCoy! Zarifa (sometimes called Zarefa) is one of the four catamarans built by N. G. Herreshoff's catamaran company in 1878! Originally intended for himself for racing in the 1877 New York Bay Regatta, he sold her to Robert Hall of Howe & Hall, a loan brokerage company in San Francisco. Zarifa was shipped to the West Coast on the Abner I. Benyon which left New York on August 16, 1878 and arrived at San Francisco on January 6, 1879, making her the first modern catamaran to round Cape Horn...

Zarifa quickly began sailing on San Francisco Bay (she was skippered by one of the Stofen brothers) and her great speed soon made her well known. In April 1879 she participated in the San Francisco Yacht Club's cruise from Sausalito to Vallejo, but had to be run aground off Point Pissol when her centerboard case started leaking. Watertight bulkheads were put in and she was soon repaired. But, built for more gentle Long Island conditions, Zarifa was clearly overpowered for sailing in the boisterous summer conditions on San Francisco Bay. On June 8, 1879 she broke her mast when returning from Martinez and had to be towed home where she was repaired again. Meanwhile club members continued to puzzle how to class her and came up with the wise solution of putting her in her own catamaran class. Which lead to her "winning" her class in the August 9, 1879 regatta of the San Francisco Yacht Club ... where she was the only competitor! After this regatta Zarifa dropped out of the public limelight.


Wouldn't it be interesting to go through the records of the San Francisco Yacht Club and see if there is more material concerning Zarifa/Zarefa?

This most excellent post by MHP (his one and only post#738), ends with an equally excellent suggestion.

The records in question are accessible to the public at the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park (Historic Documents Department
Building E, Fort Mason, San Francisco) and it's a scandal that we haven't found anyone to go there and poke around in them yet.

the San Francisco Yacht Club records, 1880-1958

:rolleyes:
 
An interesting article on small trimarans blog. Initially a conversation between Jim Brown and James Wharram and later Jim's thoughts on the age old cat versus tri debate and wood/epoxy boat building.

http://www.smalltrimarans.com/r/cat-crazy.html
 
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foilers

Thanks,man! I've seen pictures of those boats in books and it's really something to see them sailing. I only wish the video had been longer!
 
Apollonio's Cat Foiler

Thanks, Corley-I never like the looks of that boat but always admired the work and innovation it represented.
 
Actually, if you nthink about it, it's quite a clever design - for the time - with the extra lift provided by the angled foils to assist with getting the boat out of the water and once that drag is reduced, only the long vertical foils (presumably with an L, J or T on the end..???} are needed to support the boat.

Makes me wonder.....what if 'ordinary foilers' like Miranda et al had short canard 'wings' just below the static waterline near the bows....a puff of wind, a bit of lift and pop, up out of the water and rising onto the J foils....

What do people think? Has it been tried before?
 
How about making them like the DSS foils - make them retractable so they didn't have to drag all the time. They would only help with the transition to flying so it might not be worth the effort and weight.
 
I would have thought they would also be good for preventing nose-dives. As soon as they dip below the suface they'd start providing lift again.

And I guess the same goes for the Apollonio multi-blade foils as well, the deeper the bow drops into a wave, the more foil surface area is supplying lift to pop it back out again more quickly....
 
I looked up Apollonio's boat in my book "Icarus: the Boat that Flies" and the boat was named "Flying Feline",15' long and had wood and glass foils. The book said Apollonio tested the boat in 4' waves off the coast of Maine and was impressed with how it dealt with waves. With the substantial separation and forward foils that makes sense. There is a modern cat designed as a "seagoing" foiler that revisits the concept of very forward foils: http://www.c-fly.co.uk/concept_hydrofoil.html
 

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