Historical multihulls

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  1. Richard Woods
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    I heard today that Moxie was damaged, maybe beyond repair? Is that true?

    meantime here is Gulfstreamer, taken by one of my customers a couple of years ago in the Med

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    The USN academy throwed the boat, as they thought it not seaworthy. That shows the mental ability of the USN (and a lot of Navies). But they were correct, they contacted Newick and the boat sold or given back. Very few American are interested in multihulls, they do prefer motor boats as I have seen in Florida's marinas; a few sail boats, close to none multis, thousands and thousands of motor boats.
    Lot of Frenchies like multihulls, the races draw a lot of people et are followed by the press, TV etc...There is also a strong group of sponsors. There are more multis moored in La Trinité marina than in all the American continent.
    Happily the good boats are gone to France where they are restored, maintained and sailed, otherwise these boats would be rotting in some backyard.
     
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    Well, what to expect from the "throw away society?" I went the other route, reworked junked Hobie hulls to craft an outrigger...based on the venerable, but small, Malibu Outrigger design. Wet this May, we hope!

    Mr. Woods, Gulfstreamer is huge and beautiful...makes me tremble, as most of these boats do.

    I always wonder where they end up moored...
     
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    Did the US academy really junk Moxie, or just reject the offering. If the latter, where is it now.?
     
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    The reports at the time said that USN decided to sell the boat since it did not fit in the sailing program they already had.

    Any of the other comments could have been true, I just didn't see any more explanation.
     
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    I remember this being reported in Multihulls magazine - their pathetic excuse was that the design was not mainstream or conventional or of any use to training or words to that effect. I forget exactly ... but it was extredmely wet.
    Should have been a proper boat - and then they would have gladly taken the present. What turkeys.
     
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    Prestart at the 1979 Crystal Trophy
    My parents on their Comanche with Bucks Fizz which was sadly lost in the Fasnet later that year :(

    Photo by Simon Forbes
     
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    Moxie seems to be well and alive in France. Moxie is doing some charter in the south of France http://www.moxie.fr/ . There is no mention of problems on the site so I cross the fingers...
    Rogue Wave was at Dubai or Barein, seen by Charlie Capelle on 2007 bad shape but the structure was sound, and announced restored on 2009. Last news I could get...
    Gulf Streamer is at Odessa (Russia on the Black Sea) owned by Alexey Solyanic, member of the Golden Oldies, an association regrouping the owners of historical multis http://www.goldenoldies.biz/ There are pages in English.
    The best would be to contact the association for news about these boats.
    In France the boats inscribed in the Fondation du patrimoine maritime et fluvial, receive the label BIP, and are assimilated to historical monuments so the owners have some help (specially in tax deductions) for the restoration and maintenance of the boats.
     
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    Thanks, Corley-great summary!
     
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    Corley,

    Looks like a great article.
    Can you translate?:D

    I only have a tiny bit of Japanese:rolleyes: very tiny!
     
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    You can just copy and paste text from the article into bing translate.

    http://www.bing.com/translator/
     
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    Oceanic hydrofoils projects

    The flying boats of the America's Cup have unearthed an idea already mentioned in previous decades is that we will one day see the boats flying across the oceans? The ultimate victory in the last Route du Rhum woke her up, she was qu'assoupie. It re-opens one eye, not by what it smells like coffee and croissant, but this image dream at a time in which to escape. It shows the tip of his nose when VPLP made a teasing (or "teasing"), voluntary or not, citing the fact that the next boat Gabart will be "more air"!

    Long before the hydrofoil, several offshore multihulls projects have emerged. They unfortunately for many stayed in the sketch state. Here is a kind of inventory of projects flying boats across oceans. Missing in this list F40 hydrofoil designed in the mid-80s, these boats were theoretically not intended to cross the ocean ...
    1959 - Project Arthur Piver

    Here is a drawing found in a newsletter Ayrs. This is a draft scale hydrofoil trimaran designed by Arthur Piver in 1959 and has not emerged. Arthur Piver is best known for its many trimaran plans. Boats more or less successful. We were then in its infancy in the design of modern multihulls. Arthur Piver disappeared during a crossing of the atantique aboard one of its planes. He was also the architect of Teignmouth Electron of Donald Crowhurst (for those who do not know this story, it deserves a visit). This project hydrofoil was not intended to be a giant, he had to measure 30 feet. But as A. Piver had crossed the Atlantic on his trimaran Nimble, measuring 30 feet also, this design would certainly not have been reserved for day trips ... Note that another gear designer foils David Alan Keiper (Williwaw), was also owner of Nimble. Should this be a sign, and if so, which? Is that too Nimbles is lying around the point of wanting to give them wings ...?
    Cruising hydrofoil trimaran - Arthur Piver 1959

    Cruising hydrofoil trimaran - Arthur Piver 1959
    1967 - Williwaw

    Between 1967 and 1977 Williwaw, 10.50 m trimaran David Alan Keiper, traveled the Pacific on its foils. He completed two long cruises in Hawaii the first, the second with stops in Samoa, Tonga, New Zealand and the Cook Islands before returning to Hawaii. In total, more than 20,000 miles. Williwaw has unfortunately dislocated in 1977 on the Hawaiian coast, pushed by a cyclone. Although its aesthetics is not to the liking of everyone, this is the first true hydrofoil ocean sailing, 27 years before the Hydrofoil. Besides him and Hydrofoil only Scat Sam Bradfield flew high seas (see Manureva versus Williwaw).
    Williwaw - drawing F Monsonnec 07/2013

    Williwaw - drawing F Monsonnec 07/2013
    1972 - Transatlantic Jacobs

    Donald Nigg project that can be found in Hydrofoils Sailing, very good book by Donald J. Nigg, Alan John Alexander and James Lyon Grogono. Unfortunately I have no more information on this project also remained at the plans.
    Jacobs Transatlantic project designed before 1972 - Sailing through Hydrofoils

    Jacobs Transatlantic project designed before 1972 - Sailing through Hydrofoils
    1975 - Project Hydrofoil Eric Tabarly

    Unavoidable, France, the draft foiler designed by Eric Tabarly in 1975 and became a hydrofoil time under the leadership of Pierre Perrier. Eric Tabarly in From Around the World in the Transat - Eric Tabarly, "... they began their study, following the idea that I had given them, but, less shy than me, they arrived very quickly to take off the boat. For them, it was really the way forward .... "This is the project that was developed the" Tornado hydrofoil "built by Jean Garnault and I presented several times on this blog (The small hydrofoil ET - The small hydrofoil ET on - Expo sailboats ruffles, continued). This prototype has demonstrated that it could fly. It did not seem obvious at the time even though a French Claude Weaver had already made many flying trimaran (The véliplanes C Weaver unsung). Despite the successful flights of the prototype, the project has not been established. Of the time did not allow materials to meet the weight of a sailing hydrofoil. The project is again a foiler Paul Ricard.
    Hydrofoil Project 1975 - drawing Eric Tabarly

    Hydrofoil Project 1975 - drawing Eric Tabarly
    1983 - Colt Cars hydrofoil!

    Project implementation of foils on the Colt Cars trimaran (Mitsubishi in England). Colt Cars is a 60 footer designed by Ron Holland in 1982. The boat is now called Spirit of Ireland was for sale in Malaysia in 2014. These foils have been devised by James Grogono (Icarus) during a day board with Rob and Naomi James. They have unfortunately not been built. This drawing is in the book "Icarus, The Boat That Flies" by James Grogono chapter "Daydreams and Dinausaurs"!
    Cold Cars hydrofoil James Grogono - Icarus via the Boat that flies

    Cold Cars hydrofoil James Grogono - Icarus via the Boat that flies
    1994 - Hydrofoil

    It needs no introduction! It's sort of the result of the project of Eric Tabarly. It is currently still on the west coast of the USA in waiting to embark on the voyage Los Angeles / Hawaii. The team also planned The hydrofoil February 1 release larger but also Hydrofoil rocket designed to break the world speed sailing record.
    The Hydrofoil - Copyright Christophe_Launay

    The Hydrofoil - Copyright Christophe Launay
    2000 - Volantis

    Volantis, 60-foot trimaran project initiated by Mark Ott surrounded experts Dave Hubbard (expert rigid wing), Burt Rutan (aero engineer who designed Voyager, the first aircraft to have been around the world non-stop), Nigel Irens ( naval architect) and Sam Bradfield (expert foils). This boat remained in draft form. But he had a little brother presented below, Scat, which in born in 2002. So another little brother (or sister as a boat is feminine in English) Eifo for "Easily Identified Flying Object" .
    Volantis in 2000

    Volantis in 2000
    2002 - Scat

    Volantis little brother, 37-foot long, Scat for "Sam's Crazy Arsed Trimaran" is also derived from the drawing board of Sam Bradfield and Nigel Irens. By a wind of 12 knots has been clocked at 31.6 knots. The same year, he faced winds of 40 knots during the first 125 miles of the Miami-Nassau! Race in which it is engaged without having sailed a lot. He finished second on 22 boats carrying. Only eight boats finished the race with 2 multi! The winning crew aboard a 40 foot catamaran, was the victim of seasickness, which was not the case from that of Scat! Unfortunately it seems that the manufacturer did not follow Scat sampling recommendations Nigel Irens. Too heavy out of the yard, its takeoff speed was higher than expected. Scat was sold to a US defense contractor working on the realization of sailing drones for the US Navy ...
    Scat - Photo DR

    Scat - Photo DR
    2004 - R33 Foiler project

    In February 2004, Randy Reynolds suggests, the site of his company, the ability to make a Trifoiler 10 m. A prototype based on the use of a catamaran hull and floats R33 catamaran Inter 20! A boat that was done in collaboration with Greg Ketterman, and equipped with sensors forward like those of Trifoiler. In September 2013, on XS racing, Randy evokes this old project and says that now he would opt for a dragged probe system.
    Project "big" Trifoiler Randy Reynolds 2014

    Project "big" Trifoiler Randy Reynolds 2014
    2005 - C-Fly Offshore

    The version of "coastal" long 7.6m Team C-Fly was launched in 2005. He also carried the Daddy long legs name. The team wants to achieve C-FLY ocean 21m trimaran based on a platform of Orma 60. The objective is to fly across the Atlantic and to break the record of his journey .... The C-Fly differs from previous projects (with JACOS Atlantic), by its duck configuration. Configuration enough little used ...
    C-Fly Offshore Project

    C-Fly Offshore Project
    2011- Voilavion 60 feet

    Derived from 18 feet Voilavion launched in 2011 and featured on foilers at launch and during sailing in the Gulf of Morbihan, the team Voilavion has several objectives including that of achieving a 60 feet. Does it will come, I hope to patrice Magnard and his team.
    Project Voilavion 60 feet Magnard Innovation

    Project Voilavion 60 feet Magnard Innovation
    Summary table of projects

    Table recap hydroformylation offshore - F Monsonnec 03-2015Sur 11 projects offshore gear:

    3 have stolen Williwaw, The hydrofoil, Scat,
    8 had a config air, 2 duck, 1 "diamond" (Williwaw)
    7 had no regulated foils, 1 with which to probe flew (Scat), 3 remained in draft form,
    9 were or are trimarans, 2 catamarans.

    The major part of these projects were therefore trimarans configuration aircraft and unregulated foils!
    Maybe the winning project will move away from the "standard configuration"? Or should we hope that "salvation" will come from the implementation of other technology (construction, regulation ...)?
    The future

    So we're going to see one day steal boats across the Atlantic?
    Future devices will make it better than the few projects that have already started?
    I think one of project success factors of this type is the management of the lift to control the flying height and inequalities of the environment. Whether naturally with a "miracle" configuration or with a control system of the foils.
    Maybe the duck configuration adopted by the C-Fly team and so little used compared to the config. plane, could be the way?
    Future articles will address how to approach a flying machine and offshore, among others, regulation ...

    To be continued
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    Dr. Goulu said:
    March 8, 2015 at 11:24

    Reminds me of an interesting argument out if my memory is good at a conference on "Hydrofoil Maxi" at EPFL: for ocean records or around the world, existing ships moving at the speed of the depressions. To go much faster on these trips, they should catch the previous depression, and / or through the "doldrums" faster, so in lower air ...
    Obviously, in the trade of rum or LA-Hawaii, the situation is more favorable
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    claude weaver said:
    March 8, 2015 at 16:24

    Hi Fred, you believe it, do you? me, a long time ago that I no longer believe and you know why ... friendly Claude

    Date: Sun, March 8, 2015 9:47:30 +0000 To: claudetisserand@hotmail.fr
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    Pretty hard to read through this post Gary, you lost me at the top. Art Piver went missing in the Pacific in a borrowed boat of his design while trying to sail a 500 mile solo qualifier for the Ostar.
     

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    Yes, that is a mistake, Cav, about Atlantic/Pacific - but the plane bit is a translation thing, meaning flying boat as opposed to aircraft.
    I could have gone throught the translation and corrected these sorts of things but ... too lazy. You need to go to Fred Monsonnec's Foiler site and look at the images.
     
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