Hinged Bruce Foil Proa

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  1. proagenesis
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    proagenesis Junior Member

    ..... sorry to having to say .... that if you dont allow the boat to move freely
    then a hvf will not be working in all conditions >

    such as large waves !
    where we would have a fighting between the two fins ....
    and the resulting drag > all the waste of energy

    so no other fins to keep the boat in place > or big rudders >
    so the rig has to be self steering > at least 2 sails
    as well for a fast change of directions
    http://proatech.org/change.gif

    and ..... extreme high aspect fins
    will not be working in all conditions > because they will stall on becoming over powered >
    or having not enough area > if the fin is not moving !

    of cource .... the hvfin will have to be curved enough to being stable ....
    and the float can be at the hinge >

    so why waste all the structure to put it more out wards ?
    and the wind drag ......

    where as mr giles has the float ?
    long before the hinge > so the hinge being immersed in some conditions .....
    creating a catastrophe

    regards the team at proagenesis


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  2. CutOnce

    CutOnce Previous Member

    This thread is a perfect example of how a person can be their own worst enemy. Regardless of the unusual personality involved, the idea itself seems to have much merit and be worth further investigation.

    I'm not sure what Mr. Roth's objectives are here. Is he trying to promote the concept, or is he trying to promote his own genius and kill external interest in the concept? Proas are the fringiest of the already fringe activity called performance sailing. Regardless of what he may or may not be trying to accomplish, Mr. Roth has succeeded clearly at only one thing - destroying any credibility he brings to the concept and shutting down interest in discussing things further with him. I'd certainly be interested in further discussion - without Mr. Roth's participation.

    And that is a horrible shame. Mr. Roth's communication and interpersonal skills are so dysfunctional that he would be far better off to limit his posts to drawings and pictures. If there truly is a "proagenesis team", anyone else (up to and including the cat) on the team should take over external communications and let Mr. Roth concentrate on delivering the functional proof of concept.

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  3. proagenesis
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    ..... well ..... actually > here we are having yet another perfect example >
    for this worlds rejection of reality !

    because this is what every one should be doing >
    doing any thing .... but touch at reality ....

    and with out this vital part > there can be no functioning hvfp developed >

    but this is no social science forum for advanced studies of anthropology !
    so we should leave it at this short answer to yet another insult
    to my person ......

    as far as the other members are concerned > they will not be coming here
    but any one being able to communicate in ... deutsch
    is welcome to go the famous .....

    http://forum.yacht.de > multihulls > and should be looking for >
    mike stolle .... as the last person to answer .....

    here the direct link to one subject >
    http://forum.yacht.de/showthread.php?145487-Proa-warum-nicht/page6

    the other 2 members ... will not be for any thing > trying to communicate to this world
    what they are having to put up with ......

    just because they want to be living an inteligent concept !


    regards the team of proagenesis
     
  4. proagenesis
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    proagenesis Junior Member

    the proof

    here we are seeing the cut off part > from the lower part of the vector fin
    if you are looking closely .... you will see the smaller vf > being made bigger
    at the cut >>> and only the smaller part was left on .....
     

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  5. Manfred.pech
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    Manfred.pech Senior Member

    A piece of garbage with bad profile. It does not tell anything of the part to which it has been fixed.
    It does not tell anything of Spain and force ten storm - proafantasy - not a single sign of evidence.

    Team, oh yes a good team is wonderful. But your team is a papertiger. Within five years there is no progress, you have to refurbish the rotten proa alone, no testsail for the new foil, only fairytales filling the files in forums. A cat is better.


    Finish your boat, trail it to Spain, wait for a force ten storm and have a sail out on the bay just as you told it and have your team producing a "tube for you". The proof is in the pudding.
     
  6. proagenesis
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    ...... I am not in any rush on this it all > because ..... it wont make any difference !
    none it all >because I already know what it will do > as any one with any inteligence will !
    and .... because all you here want to do >>> is gripe about some thing !
    maybe being a little entertained .... by warner brothers production ?
    and as soon as there .... is nothing more to gripe about >
    then mr fairytales and his colleges .... will wait for some thing new to gripe about !

    he .... or any one else here will never be convinced of any thing better !
    except to calling names .... and then waiting for the moderation to > " blocking " him

    we know all this from the last 2000 years !
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  7. proagenesis
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    proagenesis Junior Member

    the ideal hinged vector fin

    here we are looking at the ideal hvf .... this for the 8' model
    being tested so far with the other hvf shown in the tests on http://proatech.org

    such as .... 100_0187.mov

    the smaller model fin now is the same typ > see the first file on .......
    with the same typ hinge !

    providing enough play to having in those condition the nesseccery positive aoa !

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    Manfred.pech Senior Member

    The usual ********. http://books.google.de/books/about/On_********.html?id=bFpzNItiO7oC&redir_esc=y
     
  9. proagenesis
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    ..... right !

    the usual .....
    from one > having studied > not being able to read and write .....
    according to any logical reasoning >

    just perpetrating his own status ..... in a ... " culture " .... where no one >
    is willing to read their own constitution ....

    where no appreciation of any real solution exists >
    letting alone some responsibility for the future !

    what a revelation this inter net holds out .... for any one to see >
    where all positive is defamed > there while any destruction is cherished >

    the usual !


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  10. Manfred.pech
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    Manfred.pech Senior Member

    Proafantasy since years at its very best: Filling files with nonsense.
     
  11. proagenesis
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    proagenesis Junior Member

    why mister fairy tale is the publics best friend !


    mr pech at his very best in politics > he actually studied telling fairy tales >
    not a one scientific argument ! .... but Filling files with nonsense.!

    actually .... doing > what the public wants him to do !
    destroying this scientist ..... who dares being different ....... telling the truth .....
    cherishing solutions > and no politicians in power !

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    here a copy from the .... forum > galactic development >

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    ....... the public


    doesnt want to hear the truth .... they want to be cherished ....
    so they will vote any politician into office doing this job ...
    and when after a few years >

    they are realizing that this politician doesnt tell them the truth
    or worse > should he dare > to start describing reality >
    needed actions .......

    they discard him ..... voting the next politician into office ...
    making 17 trillions in national debt there while !

    where as a true scientist
    will tell the public the truth .... but then they are screaming .....

    " he doesnt love us .... and all we need is love "

    so this is the source of all these problems on this planet
    because for making the right decisions we need reality

    so we would be needing true scientists in every office
    but the public doesnt want to hear reality so ....

    the whole world is going to hell !


    http://communication.galacticgenesis.org


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    does any one here ?

    now under stand ....
    why we can not develop a new sail boat concept .... with such politicians ?
    with this public .... screaming > ..... " all we need is love " ?

    and why .... I am needing ..... the team of proagenesis ?
    who are all screaming >

    " all we need is an inteligent concept "

    http://proagenesis.org

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  12. Manfred.pech
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    Manfred.pech Senior Member

    Great. Free lectures given from an expert. The roots of evil presented by proafantasy.
     

  13. tomas
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    tomas Senior Member

    This thread has derailed and unfortunately, the original thread in German hasn't been updated.
    I think that the moderator should lock this thread.


    Hopefully, someone else working on a project based on this concept will begin a new thread without the personal postings.
     
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