Hickman Sled design for a Bay boat hull.

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Nico Crispi, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. Nico Crispi
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    The type of hull that will get you closest to where you want to be would be this
     
  3. Nico Crispi
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    Well aware of that boat, see the link to their website that I posted in post #16. Notice all his video is in flat water.

    I called them some time back asking for any videos in rough water. They promised to send some and I'm still waiting.

    Al Stoker, a close friend of mine, used to build a very successful Mod VP hull with the exact same design which was once used by a customer for the Catalina ski race. Early morning and as smooth as the Pacific can be and as soon as they cleared the Long Beach breakwater they got swamped in a 12" wake.
     
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    The problem is seemingly largely a matter of draft (draught even !) How "skinny" is skinny water ? jorgepease's suggestion certainly looks a possible solution, albeit a compromise.
     
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    Nico, you posted a link to Transport boats not Shallowsport.
     
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    Check out the original patent drawings:
    Patent US1204355 - Motor-boat. https://www.google.com/patents/US1204355
     
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    The Original Hickman was essentially an inverted V warped bottom, having all the issues, typical of warped bottom hull forms. A mitigating factor was air and aerated water getting compressed into the plane patch, which softened the ride a bit. Unfortunately, it was found that as designed the hull could trip in tight turns at speed, so starting with Pete Jackson's efforts in the 50's, anti trip chines were installed to help this issue. Subsequent versions of the sled have addressed other concerns, including "sneeze guards" and other stuff.

    You might want to look at some power cats, instead of the sled, as there's a lot more choices. You can have your shoal draft for the flats, yet also handle off shore condisions too.
     
  8. Nico Crispi
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    True and I am. Plenty of large ones and very few small ones.
    The only ready made boat I know that is very much at home in the flats and in the real rough is the Panga of which some bottoms are better than others.
    I need to find a good one, stop studying and start fishing.
    Thanks to all.
     
  9. Mr Efficiency
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    This gets down to what the minimum depth of water you need to run in, is.
     

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    Exactly, the panga is ok but not as skinny running as the X3. I take my micro drafting flats boat out up to 10 miles picking my days. I'm not worried about it getting nasty because running back in, with the seas, I can keep up with deep v's easy. Big old flat bottom doesn't dig in so I just surf in, yeah it's a compromise but then I float in 5 inches and can run in 2 inches all day long which is what the boat was built for. This is in Florida Keys ... how skinny you looking to go?

    In Texas they run for miles and miles in super skinny water, pick a pothole to set down in and big enough to jump back out of. Also they don't mind digging the bottom because it's all soft mud. In the keys you got a lot of rock, try powering out of super skinny water and you will need a new prop. On the other hand there are channels everywhere so it's easy to pole out, you don't need a super skinny boat out here.
     
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