Hermann Görings Motor Yacht "CARIN II" rotting away in the Red Sea

Jeeze its not like anyone is saying you have to celebrate the bustards that had it built. The shippys who built it on the other hand where probably working blokes not that far away from you and yours in what they wanted from life. Why crush their efforts just because the Nazis where pricks?

 

Would you have the buildings in Germany that the Nazis built destroyed or used? I'd wager that the ones that survive and are viable are being put to good positive use.

 

I have no objection to someone restoring this boat, but I cannot imagine how any thinking person could use it as a source of pleasure given its past. That is probably why it lies neglected.
Having Nazi military items in museums is acceptable to my mind, but this boat does not qualify as any of that.

 

Its past has been similar to hundreds of buildings in Germany, it was hardly a killing machine or a gas chamber, it was a toy, albeit of an unsavory character but non the less a pleasure craft. I can't imagine how any thinking person can sanction unnecessary destruction, but there you go. Its not been neglected since the war, its had some degree of up keep, there is only about a decade of neglect there.

 

You may call it a toy, but it was gifted by the German motor industry, for what reason I can only guess, but I'm pretty sure we all know why.
Its upkeep since the war was by the British Royals who are not too far removed from its previous owners.
You may not know that the British right, with the backing of the CIA, planned a coup to remove the democratically elected UK government in the seventies and were going to install the Queens cousin, Mountbatten, as a temporary head.
Its last owner conned everyone he came into contact with and I am sure none of the work he got done was paid for.
There has certainly not been any love given to it and I don't imagine its future will be much better. Try and imagine how you would feel at the helm knowing that all these mass murderers had stood there before you.

 

Here in Chicago we just spent quite a sum restoring the old Nazi sub U-505 - it's a museum piece though; or more of a trophy - where little dark skinned kids walk through and touch everything on tours guided by jews (it's possible). Donitz (can't find my umlauts) must be turning in his grave.
Then there's the eagle's nest - where the above stated people could sit down and enjoy some wienerschnitzel and bier - it wasn't destroyed either. They probably have a better time than Hitler did.
The point is - if public dollars are to be spent on it, it has to give back in some way or another. I haven't figured out how that boat fits into the formula. However, if someone wants to spend private money on it - Have at it - and let all the blanks about their motivations be filled in by imaginations.

 

Bottom line she's knackered, doesn't matter who built her or why! or who the hell you want for the next Pope, who killed cock robin or any other outlandish thing that has happened -let her go! Would you keep your Grannies body stuffed and on the mantlepiece because she was yer granny?

 

Pity it didn't happen we'd be better run than now with less dross and 'hangers on' in the country! Many would have supported them!!

 

Only for as long as they were useful, then they would have been exterminated.

 

The boat was built as a showcase demonstrating the industrial and nautical might of the Nazi way of life. Yes, it was a private yacht, but provided to one of the most evil men the world has ever known.

Most every figurative element of the Nazi's was destroyed after the war. They weren't kept for posterity, but burned in an effort to cleanse the nation of the evil, that still lurks within and now world wide. Restoration of any piece of this mind set is a slap in the face of the men who fought against it, including my father.

When U-505 was considered to be put on display, it caused a huge uproar and understandably so, 55,000 American sailors died at the hands of the U boat fleet. Money could be made, by making her a tourist trap and politicians never turn down a lunch, so she's sat outside the Museum of Science in Chicago for around 50 years now.

Restoration of this yacht would just provide another "shrine" for these fanatics to paste pictures of above their beds. Do we need to have this yacht? Would it offer any significance to the survivors of the era? Will it's restoration serve to bolster the remaining fanatics, even if fleeting?

If for no other reason, then to demonstrate how completely against, the whole of the world was, toward these ideological idiots, it should be gloriously celebrated in it's destruction. Nothing more fitting then in it's present location, where plenty of surviving men and women can attest to the viciousness of the Nazi's.

There are plenty of examples of late 30's pleasure craft to exploite or restore, but some things just need to die.

 

Torch
dont be bloody daft, there is an acre of teak in there, and timber is a scarce resource. I am all for recycle
indeed she must have been well made, and the men who built her, like you and I
Strange she must be copper sheeved, else the worm would b e into that oak like fruitcake

 

Yeah. Emotions are what starts wars. I agree with MB. Of course, on a practical note, some very very emotional folks are likely to sink the boat one night, so I wouldn't want to own it.
I don't believe bad thoughts are transferred to inorganic objects. If they were, it would be wise to do an historical check on anything you buy used--- and stay away from those government auctions.
To those millions of Iraqis who have lost a loved one to the war within the last five years, there's a cigarette boat moored at Kennebunkport, Maine, and that boat had nothing to do with what happened, I swear.
let men be judged for what they do, and not what they say, and let boats be judged for their own merits.

Alan

 

one thing leads to another
USA waged an illegal war on IRAQ, as AW says killed millions of innocents and will keep on killing for longer than WW11, so if Bush had a yacht?
that ******* is as bad as Hitler, he and his henchman should be on trial so lets not get too emotional about a boat

 

Millions lost loved ones--- hundreds of thousand have actually died, and we all know how many more must have "only" been maimed.
Bush, or maybe his father, owns a cigarette boat used for both rampant oil consumption and bass fishing, and it's kept at Kennebunkport at the family compound.
But like I say, that boat's done nothing wrong.

 

no Alan you are quite wrong, over a million have died , it is fact
USA has been in 28 wars since WW2 If she had kept her nose out of the worlds affairs, and no matter what, it was not her business, all that reds under bed stuff, if she had not spent trillions on arms over the years, your people would be fed clothed educated
As it stands 35% of you live below poverty line and just a few % are educated
in germany as you know, everyone speaks a second language and most are educated with full bellys Hitler did not do as much harm as your guys are doing you , Nuff lecturing you know all this And you also know that every email you send is in cia database