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Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Peter H, Mar 10, 2002.

  1. Peter H
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    Peter H Junior Member

    Hello !
    Now im back with a new boat to put on this board and its a pretty good drawing if i may say so
    what do you think of this allround boat?? :)
     

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  2. Benjamin Kuiper
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    Benjamin Kuiper New Member

    Peter let me ask how long have you been drawing boats, ships, and yachts and for that matter how old are you?
     
  3. Benjamin Kuiper
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    Benjamin Kuiper New Member

    And I don't mean to be rude, but a sketch on a napkin by someone who has been drafting yachts for 20 years will be much better than the final drawing of someone who has never drawn, built, or detailed a full boat. Without knowing where you're at, it's hard to comment intelligently.
     
  4. Peter H
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    Peter H Junior Member

    Answer

    Im 21 years old and i just drawing boats for fun and i have been drawing boats for 5 years mostly for fun but also to help friend with ideas for their boats, i live in Sweden
     
  5. Peter H
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    Peter H Junior Member

    Hi

    I think that Benjamin is to posh to say anything about my drawings and not use the word napkin!!! and a question to Benji, if you print out a boat from your computer than you will use the same material as i use do you really want to use the same mateial as me??? it sounds like you are looking at me with the"i know best because im a big and mighty designer on a big boat company" eye
     
  6. Jeff
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    Jeff Moderator

    Quite honestly, I would like to see more depth in your drawings, as well as a representation of the curvature.

    I think you should draw more than one view to give a better idea of the design - how about a plan, side view, bow and stern view to start? Next I would suggest doing a section and a few stations, and if you want to work off the computer, build a quick (well, relatively quick) foam and cardboard model to get a better sense of three dimensional relationships and how you want to flare this and contour that. I think after you do this, you will tend to put a lot more detail into your drawings which will give a better sense of the dimensionality.

    Or I also think you should start with program like ProChine or especially if you are a student, Rhino which you can get for quite a low price, and start doing some quick 3d studies.

    Right now it's hard to give you much construtive criticism since there are so few details shown.
     
  7. ErikG
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    ErikG Senior Member

    Att tänka på - To think about...

    Hej Peter. To a fellow Swede...

    If you really want to learn about boat/yacht design, I'd really take in what some of these gentlemen here are writing.
    I'm a beginner as you are, but there are some basics that you need to learn to be able to communicate with other designers when it comes to drawings.
    You do have to learn about drawing a linesplan (I'm still learning to do it myself, it's not easy, but I'll get there).

    If you don't want to, or don't think that you are able to do this quite yet, I suggest that you download Stephens program Pro Surf and play with it. Then have it print out a bunch of linesplans, this might help you understand why and what the linesplan is to other designers and also why it's pretty important. On a conceptual level a side/sailplan (underwaterbody visible) and a accomoddations and/or deck design plan is also interesting giving you (the viewer) an idea of how it'll look like. But it won't tell you what it will really be like. For that you do need a linesdrawing/linesplan (am I using the right english word here?)

    I do think I know how you feel. You have all these ideas and images in your head and you want everyone to see them and have comments about them.
    I suggest that you read about the basics of yacht design. There are a number of great books in the book section. I'll just name a few personal favourites:
    Larsson & Eliasson "Principles of yacht design"
    Ted Brewer "Understanding Boat Design"

    Personally I've decided that I need to update my math from the eighties so I'm taking up studying math again (you do a lot of math in yacht design).
    I'm also starting the YDS distance learning course about yacht design. I'm still not sure if it really is the best school out there, but it's far easier to fit in a normal household budget.

    Best of luck to you / Lycka till

    Erik
     
  8. 8knots
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    8knots A little on the slow side

    keep drawing

    Peter
    I agree with the rest of those posting to your drawing. I am 29 and have been drawing, studying, and dreaming of boats since I was 10. I encourage you to keep drawing, pencils are cheap. Read everything you can get your hands on, including the multitude of magazines out there, they are a cheap resource of information. Most of the designs you will find there are tried and true. If you follow the lead of those more experienced I am sure your drawing skills will improve with time and lots of study. I also believe Jeff is right on when recommending model building. I am not a great modeler, but I can say nothing compares to having a REAL representation of your ideas in your hands. When you build your first one there will be no end to the hours you spend eyeballing it. I think for amateurs like us a balsa model built in a few weekends will develop our skills as to what FEELS right. A stale, flat computer screen model, even though complex and beautiful in its own right, does nothing to teach you what makes a boat perform or how to lay down a smooth eye-catching sheerline. Once you understand the elements of design you should move on to the computer. I think it will only frustrate you at this point of the game.
    Keep it up! 8Kts ;)
     
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  9. tom28571
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    tom28571 Senior Member

    Peter,

    I think that the replies to your request have been entirely restrained and helpful and should be taken seriously. Your reply to Benjamin is a bit arrogant, especially for one so young and inexperienced. A drawing is not a boat or even a reasonable picture of a boat. No meaningful comments are possible on such a sketchy presentation. In other words, there is no meat there.

    Read and study the books. Build the models of your ideas. This will show that some of your ideas are either unworkable or incompatible and help define what is possible or practical. Stay away from computer design programs until you have some idea what makes a boat do what it does and how to make it do what you want.

    A little humility would not hurt. Erik has some good advice. Most of the builders or designers that have helped me learn a bit about boat design would have booted me out of the shop if I had approached them in this way.
     

  10. Stephen Ditmore
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    Stephen Ditmore Senior Member

    Hi Peter. I think you're right to try smaller designs, but in other respects I like your profiles at
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=281
    and
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=306
    better than the one above. Powerboats worth studying can be found at
    http://www.lymanmorse.com/
    and
    http://www.tadroberts.com/
    and I also like 8knots profiles at
    http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=371
    , though I realize these may be more traditional in character than you're interested in.

    As far as software, naval architects, and naval architecture college programs there are good ones there in Sweden. You might want to check out
    http://www.algonet.se/~ludesign/
    and
    http://www.flowtech.se/

    Also note that brokers often make more money than designers. If, in the end, design isn't for you, there are other places you could work within the marine industry.

    Good Luck!
     
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