Halvorsen Freya design

Discussion in 'Metal Boat Building' started by onenut, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. onenut
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  2. waikikin
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    Onenut, try the private message function to carlshipwright who used to post on this site, he is related to Halvorsens, all the best from Jeff.
     
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    Thanks Jeff will do
    Andy
     
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    Searched for carlshipwright its not recognised, and also checked my link but its not a halvorsen design its by Osborn Ralph (Gothenburg)
    Guess what i am looking for is a long keel transom hung rudder small dog house flush deck steel yacht 2 cabins plus lounge, 40-45ish length.
    The designs by Alan Pape are nice see here http://www.ellida-of-laira.com/
    But i beleve his designs are from Colin Archer "Redningskoites"
    So the questions i have are:
    1) Does anyone no where are there line drawings for something simular to the above
    2) when you find a design you like how do you procede next ie see a yacht designer for proper plans,price the steel etc
    any hint ,tips ,advice would be most welcome
    regards
    Andy
     
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    Onenut, try a private message to landlubber, he may know some info to help you, maybe you need some more posts for the PM function, a fine style of vessel your interested in. Regards from Jeff.
     
  6. Fatlady
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    Hi Onenut,
    very difficult to get plans or lines from Alan Pape designed boats. A.Pape died 2004 and it´s said that his work has been transferred to the Cornwall Maritime Museum. But until now I got no answer from them. I am an owner of a Saltram Saga and made some research regarding the whereabouts of the 30 hulls built in the last 20 years (I found 25). There is one aluminum version built by the dutch yard Habbeke in Volendam some years ago ([http://www.habbeke.nl)[/url]. They might have more information for you.That boat was recently sold in Turkey after circumnavigation. There is also a website for "Ebbtide"-owners (http://www.ebbtide-owners-group.blogspot.com)[/url], mostly built in steel/multichine. The Saltram lines may be inspired by Colin Archer doubleenders, but with a cut forefoot, lower ballast and lighter hull than their wooden predecessors they have much better sailing performance and speed. The glassfiber construction of the 40 footer has a displ. of 13,5 tons incl. 5 tons of outside iron ballast and is a fantastic long distance "keeper". In my opinion, the Osborne Ralph boats built in steel are too heavy, though they show nice lines.
     
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  7. Knut Sand
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    Colin archers drawings can be bougth through the "Norwegian seatravel museum" (Strange effort in translation...) There's a link here, far down, on this page:

    http://home.online.no/~jeppejul/ColinArcherPlans.html

    or here, contact Jeppe Juul:
    http://home.online.no/~jeppejul/Colin Archer Yachts.html

    They're good boats, personally I feel the rigging's a bit heavy....
    Colin was known to make things a bit strong, which probably was one reason why Nansen contacted him for the building of "Fram"....

    Important to know; he built them strong, = they was also heavy. Modern building methods may therefore be a bit light, they may then need more ballast.
     
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    Thanks for the replys
    Fatlady i have seen the aluminium saga very nice,i have come across this saga http://www.ellida-of-laira.com/boatfacts.html its the only one i have seen with 2 cabins, with a cabin instead of the pilot birth? and toilet on the opposit side but seems to have a longer doghouse this layout would be ideal for us (have a son and daughter) we could sleep in the salon.
    There is a mention on the Ebbtide site you suggested that the plans for the 36 and 41 were brought from Alan Pape widow with a view to making them again but the web site seems to have shut down i hope the plans turn up
    in the future.
    If you here anything regarding Alan Pape designs from the maritime museum
    i would be intrested in hearing about it
    Regards
    Andy
     
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    Ellida of Laira hull design

    My name is Graham Harcombe and I am the owner of Saltram Ellida of Laira. Can I be of any help with information about the boat?
     
  10. Fatlady
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    Hi Graham,

    would you mind to send me your e-mail adress, so I can send you the list (excel sheet) with the 25 Saltram 40´s worldwide I actually found? My research was just for fun and not for any commercial reasons. My adress is : bug.welle@gmx.de

    Hope you, your wife and Ellida are ok.........
     
  11. onenut
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    Hello Graham
    can i ask when are you going to be updating your web site i have been following you ,but you have been stuck on the 19th August for ages the suspense is killing me!
    And lastly could you put some more photos of Ellida on it please shes very nice
    regards
    Andy
     
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    Ellida of Laira

    Hi Fatlady and Onenut,

    Sorry about the delays to the web-site. The new ones are coming, Fiji (Vanua Levu) is with my son (web manager) at the moment - he usually has them up in a week or so, Fiji (Viti) is 90% done and Vanuatu sort of ...embryonic.

    I would be very interested to see the list of Saltrams, I think over the years we have met about 7 in various ports around the world. My email is graham.harcombe@gmail.com

    Graham
     
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    Pape 44 in Steel

    Fatlady,

    Saw your interesting post above. We are interested in a 44' Pape of hard chine steel here in the USA.

    Do you have any ideas about this design or where I may go to find them?

    Many thanks,

    Howard
     
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    HPeer,
    sorry of not beeing able to help you . Until now I got no reply from the Cornwall Maritime Museum. I guess ,those people have no interest in this matter.
    Nevertheless a Saltram Saga website opened some weeks ago and might be of interest for you, although the Saltrams are made of GRP. Please check the site at:
    http://www.saltram-owners-club.net
    As far as I know ,the moulds are still in shape, but some older boats are actually for sale.

    May be you already found in the internet that Alan Pape 42 steel yacht for sale in Sardinia/Italy. Pape yachts in steel and in this size are a rare find.
     

  15. HPeer
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    Fatlady,

    Thanks for the info. I too wrote the museum with no response.

    And I saw the 42' boat.

    The boat we are buying is listed at 44,000 displacement, which I find hard to believe. I would guess 36,000.

    I got to look the boat over pretty well last Monday, despite the 30" of snow we had the day before. I could not find a builders plaque or anything.

    Via the broker, the Owner says he bought it from the original owner, who was a carpenter who did the interior himself while laying in Portugal. I'm hoping that when I/if I get to meet the Owner I will be able to get some more info from him.

    If you have not guessed by now I'm a Yank and the boat is laying in Baltimore.

    I was impressed with the construction. No stringers. Instead they used half pipe on the chines, on the inside. Obviously makes a very strong joint and does not trap water. But it must have increased the labor quite a bit.
     
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