Global Warming? are humans to blame?

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But, But where's the discussion at :!: . There simply seems to be no actual constructive discussion on this thread period. I'd just like to know who's actually leading and living an example :!: Is it you boston, have you parked your fuelhog truck despite maybe it does run on some vegetable oil, so what it's still spewing fumes into the atmosphere ain't it. Last I read you're not contemplating a sailboat it to will burn and consume hydrocarbons and spew them into the atmosphere. Are you living in the dark, if not where is your energy coming from coal, oil, natural gas, or maybe nuclear in which we can watch Japan for how clean that source actually is, but greenies love it. It's clean they say, but what about the huge tonnage of wastes they generate that nobody has a clue what to do with:!::!:.

I'm with hoytedow on this thread you all don't want nothing do do with or hear anyone's else s opinion but your very own maybe very slanted thoughts on the so-called topic.

 

Well if you have some scientific evidence to suggest that the whole theory is somehow flawed I'm sure everyone would love to hear it. Your assuming though that its got something to do with opinion, a scientific theory is about as far removed from opinion as it gets. But instead are based on the rigorous standards of the scientific method. An opinion can be just about anything and require no qualifications whatsoever, huge difference.

Yup your entitled to your opinion, but ask yourself, is it an informed opinion or just something you'd prefer to believe.

The thread topic is if humans are to blame for global warming. Not much room for debate on that one, its a resounding yes they are. While it might be interesting to delve into possible solutions the obvious solution is for everyone to take some responsibility and insist on alternatives rather than just bow to the whims of the oil and gas industry. Lots of solutions, not that many people willing to inconvenience themselves to actually pursue them.

Hoyt, no other thread would allow you to disrupt the topic to the point where someone like Bambi can't even figure out if there is a real conversation going on, might be pretty easy to suspect there is some financial incentive involved

 

Boston the earth has been going though cycles of evolution long before man was ever thought of. It really doesn't matter that your boat or truck will run or can run on a so-called alternative fuel, it can and will still pollute. The only real viable way to commute is by "shanks ponies" which is clean, resourceful and believe it of not "actually healthy".

This country does need to be more resourceful can't argue it's a fact. But the only way you're going to see results with your stance in so called global warming is going to be solely at the cost or expense of the working class "poor". These people are already cutting back, at least around here they are they simply can't afford not to. One the rare occasions I'm out at night the roads are almost vacant of traffic, where they used to be full of folks going somewhere. Heck this year there are actually very few homes with Christmas lights up around here. Yes people are hurting..

Now as I see it the only viable way for you and your kind to have it your way, would be something like a big carbon tax, more and higher fuel taxes and other costly government regulatory actions that the poorer members of society would be exclusively and excessively forced to bare.

Big Al and his gangsters already have plenty of money and would actually benefit with even more still and still other businesses will in turn make their poor working employees somehow bear their costs. Just as it's already happening.

Are there ethical ways to cut back on our waste without discrimination of the working class? That's where the focus should actually be.. Let's see cities make adjustments to their red-lights so traffic can flow freely through without all the idling, stopping and starting at every intersection through the town. We as a people in general aren't going to see any real viable increase in the standard of living for quite some time, maybe ever. But any future regulatory action hast to consider it's effect on societies poorest people. Have you followed or seen where they are looking strong at "wood-burners" even? But to some I guess there would be some sort of satisfaction looking through their windows seeing people freezing on the street and even calling the man in on them if they strike up a fire in an attempt to warm themselves.

 

political arguments aside, I'm starting to wonder if you realize what carbon neutral means. Any energy source that locks CO2 within a certain time frame is considered carbon neutral. You might look into it.

Also if you've been following along you will realize I am not a fan of any additional tax carbon or not. The rest is mostly political in nature and your more than welcome to it.

If you'd like to start a thread concerning what can be done about anthropogenic climate change that might be a good idea but as for who's responsible, thats pretty well set in stone. The cycles you mention are in no way synonymous with whats currently happening.

I think its pretty clear for all to see that the line going straight up is somewhat of a deviation from any cyclical event that might be found within the data

 

Hi Boston,
My feeling is that without a "tax" on pollutants, or fines on polluters, there will be no incentive to reduce the prolific global pollution expelled into the environment be it Co2, methane, used-tyres, rubbish consigned to "landfill-sites", or tipped into the oceans...

I am looking at "producing" carbon credits for sale by sequestering carbon... Presently Australia is "talking" about Au$20/1000kg - I would like to see a more realistic price but $20 will work for me a tonne (1000kg) of carbon equates to 3500kg of CO2 so which are 'they' referring to? C or CO2?

What many seem to forget is that it is NOT land temperatures that drive climate change but the OCEANS WATER temperatures, and significantly sea surface temperatures - - - as that is what drives the global weather cycle...


From: "Global humans, is warming to blame?" http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/global-humans-warming-blame-40600-4.html#post509070
In general I feel frosty's frustration at the looming global situation, as per his opening post for this thread is starkly close to the mark...
- - Religious dogma on all sides is becoming insane in intolerance and ignorant in adamant self-righteousness...
- - Business principles of honesty and fair trade seem to be totally abandoned...
- - Care and consideration for others is all but a forgotten ideal...
- - If you believe that "God" made us and everything he/she/it really messed up here in this experiment...
But, with some 2 milennia plus history, in the major religions, - - and we seem to be looking at the abyss - - and on brink of major social and economic collapse WORLDWIDE...

What are you doing?

I am preparing for a quieter life, helping to establish a more sustainable lifestyle and socially responsible community in remote tropical regions... Local social mores in helping each other and sharing resources, and adaptation of modern engineering to assist in recycling, re-use, repair and storage... Combine this with a blend of learned and developed skills to improve productivity thus reducing daily workload to survive in comfort and food security...

"Global-Warming?-are-humans-to-blame?", which is NOT "Global humans, is warming to blame?"

 

I've ditched my car and ride a Brompton folding bicycle - that easily fits in a locker on the boat - everywhere. If it's long distance, I'm discovering that public transportation works quite well, and if I need to transport things I'll rent a vehicle for the day.

I'm putting in a diesel-electric hybrid propulsion system to my boat instead of the original used old diesel I'd sourced.

I'm installing a wind generator that I've had for years and took me halfway around the world in my last boat, and hope to get a 1kW farm of solar panels. I'll also regenerate electricity when under sail and hope that'll not only power the house battery banks but also battery-powered propulsion for short periods. I hope never to need to run the generator when at anchor.

Heck, due to shortage of funds, I've gone halfway to being vegetarian, and gradually discovering more meals where I can cut out meat and still be well satisfied.

Whether you believe in global warming or not, what's wrong with conserving? Turns out it's not so difficult to do, is a LOT cheaper, and I'm getting fitter too!

 

I'm going to burn some wood just 'cause I can so the carbon won't be sequestered.

Two carbon atoms were travelling in a CO2 molecule when one said "I just lost an electron."
The other carbon atom said "Are you sure?"
"Yes, I'm positive" was the reply.

When I grew up I ditched my bicycle and started driving a car, with a big v8 engine in it. Gas was cheap. Lumber was cheap. Food was cheap. All before eco-terrorists re-fashioned us into the lily-livered people we have become.

Now back to the hockey...err...stick to it.

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I'm going to open a can of worms. I don't believe anything is causing global warming. I don't believe global warming exists. The "chicken little sky is falling" scientists get huge grants to study "green house effect". They publish carefully edited data. There are just as many cities around the world showing cooler than average temperatures as those experiencing warmer weather. Proponents of "global warming" simply ignore contrary data. The UN council lists some 600 iminent scientists who support the conclusion global warming exists and is man made. Many of the scientists on the list are angry because they do not agree, have demanded their names be removed from the list, and the UN politicians ignore them. It's research for research bucks. Don't you think the news media would create scandals or disasters if they could get away with it? The media milks a story to death and prays for a fresh catastrophe. Scientists, unethical ones, are able, willing, and habitually create catastrophes, hypothetical ones, scary scenarios so they can get government and foundation funds. Some of the arcane specialties of some doctors of science are of so little practicle value, they couldn't get a job if not for government grants.
Okay. Fire away! Give me your best broadsides. But I got the weather gage on you.

 

Dobrze powiedziane!

 

yak sha ve sushi chevy krushi. Not spelled right, but pronounced that way. Means in polish,"Don't worry, when it dries, you can brush it off"

 

Dziekuje.

 

your welcome, and don't believe I speak polish beyond a few phrases. I'm only fluent in spanish and english. I can get my foot in my mouth in about 6 more languages, but not really funcionally literate in them

 

I know that foot in mouth sensation well. Ciao!

 

Here's a bit more argument for arguments sake. I don't know about universities in other nations, but in USA, most universities are "research" universities. The proffesors don't teach classes. TAs (teaching assistants) teach the classes, grade the papers and assist the "Doctor" with his research. The Herr Doctor Professor is expected )read demanded) to publish papers, if not books, several per year. He's also under pressure to maintain existing resources and secure fresh research monies for the university. Under that kind of pressure, it's small wonder they jump on the latest bandwagon of theories. It's their livelihood and professional reputation at stake. So sorry for the non elite ill educated proletariate. The view from the Ivory Tower is superior in clarity.