Global Warming? are humans to blame?

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Do you believe

  1. Global Warming is occuring as a direct result of Human Activity.

    106 vote(s)
    51.7%
  2. IF Gloabal Warming is occurring it is as a result of Non-Human or Natural Processes.

    99 vote(s)
    48.3%
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  1. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, YES!
     
  2. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Yes, she is old enough for Boston to kiss (17 x no 18 = Yes)... Vicker of Dibbley runs a church I could enjoy attending:D:D:D
     
  3. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    well lets hope so
    I start that new job tomorrow and with a steady income again I can start hording gold in a can under the dog house once more
    har har har

    I went out last night and wooped it up big times
    woke up feeling like **** and a few beers later and I still feel like ****
    that usually works by the way
    not today
    oh well I earned it

    my 21st folks :p
    and you all owe me a drink
    love
    B

    [​IMG]

    made myself and the girl a nice dinner and then went to the new Sherlock Holmes movie then I made the mistake of hitting the club when everyone knew it was my 21st :p sooooooooo naturally
    well
    lets just say I feel like crap today
    B

    hell I might even go read the other climate thread just for laughs
     
  4. stonebreaker
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    stonebreaker Senior Member

    Burt Rutan proves global warming is smoke and mirrors

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/16/burt-rutan-engineer-aviationspace-pioneer-and-climate-skeptic/
     
  5. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    many people have trouble with the concept of hard and soft sciences
    some things like math and engineering are hard science
    that is they are definitive
    others like psychology are still considered science but the discipline is far far less definitive because of the vagaries of the human Psyche
    something like climate change is on a scale of one to ten about an 8 leaning toward the harder of the sciences with a consensus of well over 90% among the people who actually study this area of science
    science is made up of laws and physics that gets applied to a more complex system than what those laws are derived within and in provides theoretical data to then be checked against observable data. No its not perfect but it does bear itself out the vast majority of the time

    each kind of science has its own level of certainty and those who do not typically deal with varying levels of certainty sometimes have a hard time working with the vagaries of anything but there own areas of science
    its one of the reasons there is so much isolationism within the sciences
     
  6. stonebreaker
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    stonebreaker Senior Member


    BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT......

    Sorry, that BS doesn't fly. The climatologists are using mathmatical models to predict climate change. The problem is that math is not a "soft science". The math either works or it doesn't.

    The usual excuse given is that the data is somewhat unreliable... BUT, it seems that the data collected over the last 25 years is extremely reliable, and no less an authority than the Royal Meteorlogical Society is questioning the models used to predict climate change. They prove the models are wrong by the simple expedient of using them to predict PAST climate change - and the models don't work. They FAIL. New Study Increases Concerns About Climate Model Reliability
     
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  7. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Wood Butcher

    I don't need to present a counter theory to say there are no unicorns either. The fact is there is no agw. All arguments favoring it are bs bs bs bs bs bs bs bs bs bs.
     
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  8. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    I have trouble with people that have an overly high level of respect for academia... it points to small life experience.

    Proving anthropogenic global warming appears to have mutated into a cross between a political game and a gravy train for the science community. Every third world country will subscribe to related mandates IF they gain from it in direct assistance or trade advantage, every first world country is paying lip service to it while never actually doing anything meaningful, I wonder why that is? I'm just waiting for a US admin to demonize Asia over it and pick a fight. The US is headed down a path that has historically lead to war, you need the hearts and minds of the people if you are going there... push is coming to shove over resources particularly energy. It is not really hard to see how all this will tie together in the wider time frame and culminate in what will be a struggle for resource with a crusade spin ---> we in the west will be sold a save the planet, 'holier than thou' line, the east will be sold an 'its all their fault' line.

    I'm hoping this will take quite a while, but with that academic at the helm of the Fed reserve pressures will build surprisingly quickly.

    Current reality rarely finds its way onto your TV.... AGW... oh, sorry, climate chaos... yeah right. Talk to a good climatologist to understand why the next few decades will be more active than the last! They have built houses on Cape Fear... now it was called Cape Fear for a reason...LOL She'll be back!
     
  9. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Wood Butcher

    You have a finer grasp on American geography than have most Americans. The ignorance is deafening.
     
  10. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    Your alternate media is bigger and louder than ours!.... much to my chagrin, but you take it where you find it, so I know more about the US of A in some respects than I do about Oz. I wish we had some louder independent voices.

    Cheers
    Z
     
  11. Zed
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    Zed Senior Member

    I see B is still posting up a CO2 storm and eating his precious fish stock! There are so many contradictions in the human spirit... do as I say... YES dad!
     
  12. Marco1
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    Marco1 Senior Member

    Boston ... you are .... 21 ?

    Ohmagosh
     
  13. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    nah
    I lied
    every year is my 21st

    nice sushi though en

    marinated buffalo is also well worth a try if you ever get a chance

    while back I made goat ribs that I marinated in Saki and jerk sauce for a week
    normally goat is way to tough to do much with but after a week soaking in alcohol it gets real tender
    had a barbecue and invited a bunch of folks over
    was a big hit

    recently I been using cooking sherry
    adds a nice flavor to things
    Saki tenderizes better though

    the political campaign by industry is pretty well documented

    http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/347/oil-politics.html

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/01/supreme-court-ruling-big-oil-coal-unlimited-funds-influence-elections.php

    these guys even have a web site designed to do not much more than inform the voters of what politicians are taking the most bribery money from the oil and gas industry

    http://oilmoney.priceofoil.org/

    they also have a follow the coal money page

    http://coalmoney.priceofoil.org/

    simple reality is the corporate oligarchy own this gov
    voting is a mere formality

    cheers
    B
     
  14. Marco1
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    Marco1 Senior Member

    Big goat are OK for stew but not for barbaque. You have to shoot the smaller one.
    I spitroast kid goats for some 4 hours at low heat. Real good.

    I've seen you guys marinating ribs in any possible substance including Coca Cola and it makes me shudder...horrible...:D
     

  15. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    nah I dont touch Soda Pop
    stuff rots your teeth and it basically pure chemicals

    I think the goat I get is kid but not exactly sure
    Im not out on the ranch any more so I don't kill my own these days
    I do know its not that tender unless you prep it right no mater how old it is

    marinating in high alcohol content will, if left long enough, tenderize shoe leather
    so goat works just fine

    trust me and try it just make sure you have at least a 17% content and a few days into it that stuff will melt in your mouth

    goat ribs take a while longer and really dont have that much meat on em but its something to chew on over a few beers on a hot summer day
     
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