Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Yobarncle: Quote:

"The main truth is I don't believe in catastrophic warming WHATEVER is causing or not causing, if it exists, for dozens of reasons.

Good sound reasons.

I'll recap a few below.

I'm sure those who BELIEVE in catastrophic warming, feel they are justified in their belief.

I hope I've encouraged some, a few, even one, to re-examine WHY they believe and exactly WHAT they believe.

The USSR collapsed and AGW began as a world issue, nearly simultaneously.
Coincidence?

One of the founders of Green Peace resigned because he said,"The socialists took it over!"

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Inspiring, unless you're the cat.

I haven't met a warmist yet, who believes in God. Not one! A little strange?
Warmists CERTAINLY have faith in things unseen!

Like the famous consensus. Ever seen a comparative list of numbers, total world scientists and total that are alarmists?

Oh! Somebody TOLD you there was a consensus. You read it somewhere? I rest my case."


Yobbo,

For clarity, what is a "Warmist" to you? Are the members of this forum that voted for the first choice in the poll; "Global Warming is occuring as a direct result of Human Activity" Warmists?

Do you believe that any of us believe in God?



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Allan

 

Once a week we drive to the plaza, a big shopping mall. Last night we had chinese food, then the cinema (Men in Black III), then grocery shopping, and arrived home about midnight.
A once a week routine, Friday or Saturday. Fun!

 

I have never heard a global warming ALARMIST admit to being christian, though certainly some may be. Just never heard one say it.

As I stated in a post recently, there is no point to warming that ISN'T alarming.
I thought you would have gleaned from that, I'm referring to ALARMISTS when I mention warmists or warm-mongers.
Folks that think it's warming but not a problem, they aren't alarmed or preaching alarm. They aren't trying to diminish the USA.

understand better?

 

When someone starts making up labels to neatly reduce everyone to alarmists, warm-mongers or greenies, it's best to ignore them. These labels are a way to avoid addressing the scientific points.

 

When the alarmists, who FIRST dismissed anyone with a different point of view as a skeptic or denier, they started the name calling. They ALSO claim the science is on THEIR side. But many alarmists say the science is settled. The debate is over. And attack and belittle those who disagree. These aren't scientific atitudes. Name calling and disrespect and obstinancy? What goes around, comes around!

 

OH---talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You cant stop him posting by ignoring him . He will simply post to himself. It is not unknown for him to post 5 or 6 times to no one but himself.

He will even post to this, which is NOT even to him.

Sitting at computers cause Levator ani syndrome and probably contributory to proctalgia fugax.

In the old days no one sat this long, well as long as he does.

 

Furthermore, fraudulent manipulation and fudging data is not good scientific method.

Christians know there will be an end of days, when God wills it, preceded by a time of tribulation. There is absolutely nothing Man can do to speed that process or delay it. It is all in God's domain, not ours.

Worries? Let go of them and put your faith in God. He will set things right in His time.

 

Thanks ray- done.

 

Utter bollocks infact utter utter big big bollocks.

As a scientific thread do you have some link or proof of that or are we back to faith.

If you have no proof please don't post this bible bashing crap.

If I cant post atheism, you are not posting this crap.

When people like you die off the world will proceed.

 

Quick, look busy, Gods coming.

Pretty sure you meant senility, and pretty sure your right about that Frosty.

And again with the proselytizing on the forum when we've been specifically asked by our host here, over and over to leave off with the religious bull ****. unbelievable that a group claiming to espouse the concept of "rendering unto Caesar, what is Caesar's" are completely incapable of following our hosts request that we leave off religion and politics. Seems pretty damn hypocritical to me. Oh well, might be one reason that religion is failing so miserably these days the numbers of priests entering the "farce" is dropping like a rock. See, http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Church_looks_to_a_future_with_fewer_priests.html?cid=32232614

I'd ask what would Jebus do, but since pauline christianity hardly reflects the attitudes and faith of ole Jebus I'm not sure the irony of the statement wouldn't just be lost on the confused.

How about something boat related

someone suggested the swath episode of supper-ships, great show, just finished watching it. One thing they didn't mention was fuel efficiency, I'd be real curious to know what kinda mileage those things get. Someone mentioned that they get lousy fuel economy, pretty sure that was based off wetted surface area, but doesn't the smoother ride provide an offsetting speed benefit ? I'd think it ends up either a wash or getting a tad better mileage ?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/296894/superships-revolutionary-ships-design#s-p2-so-i0

definitely a must see.

Oh and BNTII don't bail out on us, just put the senile on ignore and maybe then we can actually discuss the issues at hand.

 

A criticism of science by someone who believes in a floaty beardy invisible imaginary buddy that will be ending the world anytime soon - does this not deserve ridicule?

We suspected that a major part of opposition to climate science was because of religion and finally, Yobbo and Hoyt have come out with it - in their deluded minds it's all about who gets to bring about the end of the world - their psychotic belief in one Sky Daddy out of thousands, or imperfect man who is predictably messing things up.

The staggering thing is that people with the god delusion in America is about a half, which is completely derailing any opportunity to do anything about dangerous levels of warming - so in fact the nutcases have already won.

 

unfortunately a large number of people would prefer to live in an illusion than face the reality of there own actions. Its an escape mechanism from all the wrong they've done others. Rather than actually make meaningful change in there lives, they prefer to invent some elaborate excuse that "forgives" them. Its a crutch synonymous with denial.

The real crime is that the deluded have the same right to vote as the rest of us. Its basically whats wrong with the world today and its very likely to spell disaster for us all.

bunch of complete nutters if you ask me.

anyone else notice how its always the religious whackadoos who are so rudely insisting on disrupting the thread. And we'll know they are christians by there love ? Hardly, more like we'll know they are christians by there rude insistence on imposing there religious BS on a group who's made it abundantly clear they want no part of it. And when asked to leave off the religious crap politely what do they do, blither on anyway.

Kinda rips the joy right out of the whole site when some few are allowed to spew there religion all over the floor where everyone is trying to walk.

 

I'd put money down that the same "christians" have an arsenal of guns and spend their retirement hours online supporting Zimmerman's right to stalk people and then shoot them if the table's turned, or bleating on and on about how "Stand your ground" laws should be extended, everyone should walk around armed, "always shoot to kill" - in case they survive to sue you, hoping and praying that some drunk will accidentally walk into their house so they can shoot them, telling anyone who will listen that the end of the world's coming soon anyway so just do anything you like because as long as you've been "born again" Sky Daddy will forgive you while the atheists burn in hell.

And all this is relevant to this forum, because this kind of insanity is preventing reason and debate on the subject of anthropomorphic global warming.

 

They read "to some extent are true", and SOME think "AHA! NOW WE KNOW"!
Like blind men examining the elephant, they imagine a small part equals understanding the whole.
Exactly like they choose tiny 380 ppm CO2 to be dominant driver of climate, ignoring the many REALLY powerfull forces in nature. Like the sun and water vapor.
The small controls the large is a principle in antique "magick". Which of course never worked, but did eventually, slowly evolve into current sciences.
As sticking pins in a voodoo doll, containing dna samples like nail clippings and hairs of the victim, supposedly causes agony to the larger real person.
It appears not only is "earth mother" religion back, but science (for some) is devolving into "magick'.
That might explain some of the staged "tricks" with the data!
Do climatologists desire to be considered 'Wizards' and 'Sorcerors'?
Boston and Ray. Did ya'll attend Hogwarts?

I'm interested to see, what 'edifying' conversation Boston and Ray have since they put me on ignore.
I'd bet the prevalent topic will be, MORE vituperative invective against christians, conservatives, and "deniers". Wanna bet?

 

When you make such TERRIBLE and SELF INCRIMINATING statements regarding your antithesis to american principles of democracy, you should punctuate exuberantly to draw special attention to it! You know. Like you use smilies exuberantly.

This statement of yours above in RED bold, deserves to have one of those big black dots preceeding it!