Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Yab's science is hopelessly flawed, he generally takes it from industry sponsored disinformation sites, where the data is cherry picked and presented with numerous incorrect premises. Often if its a graph its been detrended, skewing the visual representation in such a way that it misrepresents the data. That or he's got the science so cattywompus its just making absolutely no sense at all. Its worth a few laughs every once in a awhile but in terms of a foundation for a science based conversation, its just not worth wasting the time.

tell you what

I'll spell out a few of the basics and you can watch the denial fly, then tell me why I should bother wrecking a perfectly good comedy show.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas
CO2 is roughly 2/3 of all greenhouse gas
The greenhouse gasses are the primary forcing agent in our climate system
water vapor is not a forcing agent
water vapor is a feedback
add more CO2 and the response of the climate system can only be warming.
the amount of warming observed nearly exactly matches the additional greenhouse effect caused by the additional CO2 since the industrial age.
There has been no significant change in the output of the sun that would explain the additional warming.
the isotopic signature of the excess CO2 in the atmosphere identifies the burning of fossil fuels as the source of the excess CO2
ergo
mans burning of fossil fuels is the direct cause of our present climate shift

Its pretty much a no brainer but when you do bump into someone who simply can't grasp the basics the question becomes. Do you waste all you time trying to get one person to understand one plus one, or do you move forward and inform as many as possible even if it means leaving a few in the dust. This isn't kindergarten, some "will" be left behind.

The reality is some people just aren't going to learn, what they don't want to know. Psychology 101.

Looking at all four major studies it becomes extremely clear we are in an unmistakable warming trend.



as you can see, any assertions to the contrary are in direct opposition to all four of the comprehensive studies done on this exact issue. There is no debate, the world is warming and faster then ever found before.

Cheers
B

 

and its happening MUCH faster than ever predicted...its going to get worse...count on that!

 

CO2 is roughly 2/3 of all greenhouse gas
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What a bald faced lie!

Water vapor is 95% of all greenhouse gas, and CO2 only 2/3 of the remaining 5%. Anybody who says different is no scientist, doesn't KNOW science. Doesn't know the makeup of the atmosphere. Amazing anybody would put their foot so far in their mouth! LOL

“I want to comment that the way-dominant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is not mentioned, namely water vapor,” writes Ken Saunders of Pacific Palisades. “Water vapor accounts for about 97 percent of the total (natural plus man-emitted) greenhouse warming of the planet. See, e.g., John Houghton's ‘The Physics of Atmospheres, 3rd edition,’ Cambridge University Press, 2002.”

This is true, water vapor is the major player in the greenhouse effect and is often omitted from reports and reporting about global warming -– mostly because it is more of a symptom than a cause in global climate change, and cannot be easily mitigated.

Tom Boden, director of the U.S. Energy Department’s Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, acknowledges in an email: “Folks are right when they state water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas and not routinely measured directly in the atmosphere. Atmospheric water vapor is difficult to measure, highly reactive, and variable in amount due to meteorological conditions (i.e., atmospheric water vapor is continuously being generated from evaporation and continuously removed by condensation).”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/11/greenhouse-gases-water-vapor-and-you.html
“Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas and natural levels of [carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide] are also crucial to creating a habitable planet,” writes John Reilly, professor at MIT and co-director of the Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change, Center for Environmental Policy Research, in an email.

 

and cannot be easily mitigated.

This is the reason warm mongers won't even admit water vapor IS a green house gas, let alone not admit it's 95%. Because cant be mitigated...cant do anything about it...isn;t an excuse for changing society!
That's why global warming is politics posing as science. It's the society change agenda that won't admit any real science that stops them in their tracks. They are trying to FORCE this down our throats! I resent it more than they dare imagine!

 

its as obvious as obvious gets, the place is warming up in direct relationship with the increase in greenhouse gas as well as a few other things, like change in albedo due to ice melt and increasing desertification.

let the denial begin

 

You say its 4th warmest winter on record!

Only 4th warmest in UNITED STATES on record!
2011-2012 winter in North America was colder than the average over last 30 years. So was every other part of the globe and the average global temperature colder than last 30 year average!

Liar liar pants on fire!

 

And no dramatic graph to make the miniscule appear threatening. Just HARD data. But not hard to understand. Just HARD to refute!

 

I'm going to tell you warm monger collectivists a simple truth!
You under estimate how many FREEDOM loving americans there are! We won't ALLOW you to force social change. I will resist by EVERY means available to me, and I am not only not alone, we are the majority.

 

What,even for Agnostics?

 

I read your insertion,but I also read the comments on it,it seems plenty of people disagree with it.Seeing it is media based,selling papers might be the overall intent,especially when the headlines are "Alec Balwin has a stalker"
Maybe he should stay off the ****** for a while

 

Oh dear, This old story is still going? What influences the weather? - The Temperature of the oceans and THEY ARE RISING FAST (The temperature is) antarctic ice (The non floating stuff) is melting faster than ever before, and so I understand, is the arctic (floating stuff) allowing shipping to pass regularly? - - What next - The Ice on Greenland is melting and causing concern - even the mainstream media has that as a news item. Land is ALWAYS colder than waters when sun's warming radiation is reflected by clouds.

Cyclists claim that there is a cooling period now, but it ain't happening, as the oceans waters are warmer, so much so that irrikandji (box jelly-fish) were seen last summer, as far south as Brisbane when they usually only get to Townsville in summer time in the past...

 

I was just cycling by the airport yesterday and it was, indeed, cooler.

 

hehehe

 

when it's colder, warmists pooh pooh it as weather. But, when it's a warmer winter in the US, although Alaska and Canada is enough colder that the TOTAL of North America is colder than the 30 year average, then it's YIKES! It's "proof" warming is happening faster than predicted. That "predicted" is what rots their socks. They keep claiming their climate change models are dead on. ALL of their model predictions have failed miserably these past 10 years. Not only are the models wrong, these "politico/scientists" are wrong. Dead wrong!
CO2 goes up, but the temperatures just won't co-operate! Warmists are absolutely POSITIVE the CO2 drives up temperature. Their models are designed and dependent on that. And the large predicted temperature rise over last decade DIDN'T HAPPEN. They are squirming! Credibility, reputations, funding, and their agenda for social change are resting on a dramatic temperature rise that refuses to happen. Their horse won't Run nor their dog hunt!

"Frustrated by the lack of computer-predicted warming over the past decade, some IPCC supporters have been claiming that "extreme weather" has become more common because of more CO2. But there is no hard evidence this is true. After an unusually cold winter in 2011 (December 2010-February 2011) the winter of 2012 was unusually warm in the continental United States. But the winter of 2012 was bitter in Europe, Asia and Alaska.

Weather conditions similar to 2012 occurred in the winter of 1942, when the U.S. Midwest was unusually warm, and when the Wehrmacht encountered the formidable forces of "General Frost" in a Russian winter not unlike the one Russians just had.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304636404577291352882984274.html
Large fluctuations from warm to cold winters have been the rule for the U.S., as one can see from records kept by the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA. For example, the winters of 1932 and 1934 were as warm as or warmer than the 2011-2012 one and the winter of 1936 was much colder. "

 

A new study has revealed a global warming and rising of the oceans. Contrasting ocean temperature readings from the 1870s with modern readings, this study reveals an upward rising trend spanning over 100 years.

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

Dan Roemmich, a Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego physical oceanographer led the research. He found a .33 degree Celsius (.59-degree Fahrenheit) increase on average in the top portions of the ocean, down to 700 meters. Ocean surface temperatures, however, saw the largest amount of temperature rise at .59 degrees Celsius (1.1 degree Fahrenheit) and down to .12 degrees Celsius (.22 degree Fahrenheit) at 900 meters.

Roemmich’s study is the first to compare the temperature between the voyage of HMS Challenger (1872-1876) and data from modern day readings conducted by ocean-probing robots. These robots continuously report the ocean’s temperature thanks to the global Argo program. Scientists have long believed 90% of Earth’s excess heat in the climate system since the 1960s has been trapped and stored in the oceans.

Roemmich’s study, however, reports the warming trend began much sooner, as soon as 100 years ago. His report was co-authored by John Gould of the United Kingdom-based National Oceanography Centre and John Gilson of Scripps Oceanography. It was published on April 1, 2012, in an advance online edition of Nature Climate Change.

“The significance of the study is not only that we see a temperature difference that indicates warming on a global scale, but that the magnitude of the temperature change since the 1870s is twice that observed over the past 50 years,” said Roemmich, co-chairman of the International Argo Steering Team. “This implies that the time scale for the warming of the ocean is not just the last 50 years but at least the last 100 years.”

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/18HkV)

1/3 degree C in 100 years. WoW! that's rapid warming alright!