Gas from Water, (WaterFuel), HHO technology

Want some real info on stan meyers ?

All,
Inoticed a couple of members spouting about how much they know about stan's work. I am probably the most informed person alive. I have his development notes, diagrams, and he didnt use lasers,just diodes to saturate the deionized water molecules in the exhaust gases which he recirculated to damp the charge during the power stroke. The injectors were made in england after rick snieder attempted to rip him off and threatened to kill him.(rick snieder was his machinist until then...) The injector design shown in his released info wernt even close. The only thing injected in the injector was water spraying out thru .008 holes in the macor that was used as an insulator. There was a .5"long tapered waveguide at the tip that ended with a.10" port. This allowed the mist to swirl around the electrode(.15 304 stainless) The big secret VIC coil was wound from 403 stainless@.005". This had to produce the 45kvac pulse neccessary to fracture the water molecule. after the burn, some of the exhaust gases were rerouted to the air gas processor, where it was exposed to the magnetron coils and the uv rays from the red leds(I have a receipt from RADIO SHACK)and hydroxxl was added from the steam resonator. The res frequencies he used were from 600hz to 80khz.
I am telling all this because I faithfully reproduced his work from his personal notes and information, not from the internet...The only problem was that the injector system was clearly under powered. I have made my own improvements by adding blacklight exposure and producing alot more hydroxl.And I use alot more voltage with different freqs...Have applied for r&d funding from government thru UNLV as they have already been concentrating on solar seperation methods that have been proven over the last 5 years,ck them out on the web...If you all want more info, goto YAHOO groups and scan for watercar and wfcy2k forums...Tons of info there..artinvegas...

 

Not likely (the probably "most" informed person). Here's just one proof:

http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/2067735.htm

Scroll down and look at the image called Figure 6. It mentions the LASER.

To save you from reading whole of Meyer's nonsense, here's a para from the patent that specifically talks how the laser is used:

Laser energy prevents discharge of the ionized gases and provides additional energy input into the molecular destabilization process that occurs at resonance. It is preferable that the ionized gases be subjected to laser (photonic energy) activation in advance of the introduction of the gases into the zone(s); although, for example, a fiber optic conduit may be useful to direct photonic energy directly into the zone. Heat generated in the zone, however, may affect the operability of such an alternative configuration. The electrical polarization of the water molecule and a resonant condition occurs to destabilize the molecular bonding of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. By spark ignition, combustion energy is released.

Care to delete your silly post?

 

The non-existent laser is also mentioned in this version of his patents:

http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/4826581.htm

I like the part where he says that the high temperatures are detrimental to efficiency, yet laser is making the process more efficient. lasers are by default hot, so how is that working together...?

Or when Meyer says that he normally uses 3000-5000 Volts, yet few paras further he also says;

The hydrogen and oxygen gasses will be separated from the water at the low level of voltage amplitude; and the gasses generated will also be at the minimum.

Which one is then? The high or the low voltage Meyer?

A lot of bulshitting, a lot of pseudo science and a lot of naive believers.

One moment meyeers also claims that he is reaching the resonance of the water molecule, the next he is only resonating the capacitor.

And he is working with "0 to 10 KiloHertz", with typical frequency being 5KHz.

Thanks to more serious researchers (real scientists) we know that the water dissociates on 13,4 KHZ, so Meyer here too comes as a fraud and a snake piss pusher.

But, feel free to believe. Religion will not make it work, it will only make those who believe that **** look really stupid.

A question: if you (all who buy this crcap) know "exactly" how it works, what are you waiting for?

Why don't you just make one and prove it works?

Yeah, let the excuses fly now...

 

what is your problem with new tech?

masrapido,
Im not going into any diatribe about weather or not you can convince me that stan used lasers or not, Ive seen the original buggy in columbus,ohio in a storage unit rented by charlie holbrooks nephew who aquired the buggy, the steam resonator and the computers that stan used. We even fired up two computers to make sure they still worked.
In the early 90s, Stan worked with a man named john prendeville in england. John put together the arthur clarke video and put stan in touch with the Dublin Institute of Technology who proved his technology and John is the person who instituted Stans designs for the injecters and manufactured them in Birmingham,England. He then setup meetings with british navy admirals and staff, bringing them to ohio for demonstrations. (I have pictures of the buggy,unretouched). I have video taken in his lab that the whole world has never seen of the buggy in action and the cell being demonstrated @ 13psi.
The reason I have not divulged this info is Im developing my own systems in Vegas. I am a business man and dont giveaway the crux of my intentions. I do share some info when I can see others getting close to the same end results. I am trying to build a multibillion dollar industry. Its a big pie with plenty to share. I am currently working with Mikail Prokerhov to build
micro-chp units designed to run on watervapor continously.
The leds used in the air gas processor were t3 400nm type purchased from radio shack in columbus, ohio on august 14, 1992. (96)of them. These were used to produce photons for photonization of the spent water mols returning from the exhaust.The photos previously shown in this string were for the gas gun device he developed for the military and nasa.
As for building a replication, I have a 1650cc vw engine with a heavy breathing cam , running on water alone, installed in a manx chassis,setup for the next Norra race in mexico. It has been inspected and Troy Herbst will drive it in the race. It completly recirculates the steam , being rejuvinated by Stans tecnologies, so that we can accomplish our goal of 1000 hrs of operation on 1 gallon of water. Paul Zigouris has already demonstrated the ability to run a boat (21 ft daycruiser with a 30 over 454)on water which he demonstrated before the comissioners of chesapeake bay and which I witnessed. He even scooped the water form the bay to run it, with no gasoline or other fuel besides waater. Didnt even have tanks onboard....
I have every document released to the public,his lab notes,2 giant volumes of reciepts for work accomplished,faxes,photos and drawings all signed by Stan, a total of over 300 lbs of paperwork( thats what it weighed when we brought it all back from ohio). I paid over 5000.00 for this,No,you're wrong, I have the most complete archive of info on Stan Meyer on earth and Im currently writng a book on it.
What qualifys me? I have a PHD in quantum physics, have been a nuclear scientist with EG&g,Sandia Labs,built my own hot fusion system that works,(I have letters from the presidents council on science and technology,and my associate Michael Lapointe won a nobel prize for our work)I also worked for Chevron, Shell, and Texaco as a petroleum engineer, and telecommunications specialist. I started my own telecommunication company and bought out the 4th largest ISP in the usa in 97(GOCHAT+)buying time into mexico,and south america. I currently own 17 oc3 plants in south america,including peurto rico and the bahamas. I own systems in chile, and probably own the telecommunications you use on a daily basis(cellphone and landline)My group is currently in development of a maglev train that will run the full length of chile,inviting new developments to your country...
Stan lived by the rule KISS, which helped him design his works. He was also a very untrusting person,his only real trust was in GOD.He released some info to the public from time to time, some was specific, some was basic ,left up to the reader to play with. His patents were real, but like some, he didnt tell the whole story. He had to hold back key info so that no one could handily replicate his lifes work, just like I do so that nobody beats me to the bank...
artinvegas...

 

My problem is old proven scams re-appearing every now and then.

Artinvega, now I do not believe a single thing you say. And only because of your "maglev" crap development in Chile.

Magnetic levitation trains require enormous electricity infrastructure which Chile does NOT have. Germans wanted to build one about 280km long and it would have cost 3,5 BILLION euros.

Chile is 6,435 kilometres long...

Also, I have some family ties in the government, so lemme tell you som'tin' about your "maglev project" in Chile:

You are a liar.

I would love to see alternative energy working wonders. But when I listen to the people promoting it, I lose hope these things are possible, in a form/shape as these people present them.

So I have NO problem with the technology, to the contrary. But when you say that Meyer did NOT actually talk about the laser, when he did, and in several of his patents, YOU have a problem with your own credibility.

If even one single thing is true what you said about yourself, congratulations. But I can see that you have none of those qualifications, not a grain of that experience, and certainly have no investments in Latin America, Chile to start with.

I mean, if you were a doctor of physics, you would HAVE to know that the science has discovered that the frequency for dissociation of water was established to be around 13,5 MHz. Above meyer's 0-10mhz, "usually 5 MHz".

I can see numerous other errors in your statements. And if you are wrong/lying about a few things, then you are most likely lying about every single thing you are talking about.

So let us not derail the focus from your statements by insinuating I am against the new technologies. Let us instead stay with your statements which are wrong.

Meyer DID talk about using the laser. He even patented it several times. So you are wrong about that.

He did not talk about the led diodes. His only diodes, in his patents, are rectifying ones. So you are wrong about that too.

If, and a BIG if here, you have indeed seen his "original" devices, then you are confirming what many think about him: he is a liar.

He patented one thing, yet he was working on another, quite different to what he claimed in his patents.

Ergo, he is a liar, according to you.

That I can agree with.

After all, he was convicted in 1996 as a fraudster after potential investors sued him for refusing to disclose how exactly is his contraption working.

He was a paranoid schizo who tried what other numerous paranoid schizos tried. to fleece the naive and the ignorant. Remember newmann and his overunity electromotor? Newman disappeared in a self-made religious sect. Dennis Lee? Several times convicted of fraud and still trying to sell his "overunity" motor, even though he was forbidden to do so by the usa courts.
Meyer too believed that 'god" gave him the info and that he is to lead the world ove rthe Rubicon and into the paradise where he is the revered leader.

So, let us cut the crap. "god" doesn't exist, and Meyer was a sick person, just like many other before him who "saw the light" and "heard the word of god".

 

You say Liar,LIar<liar with no basis,like a child who doesnt get his way!

Dispudo,
I never said that stan didnt discuss the use of laser(coherent light)energy in his lectures or patents,he did. He just didnt use them in his experiments due to cost. He was limited in funding like most inventors who operate in thier garage or basement to accomplish feats and wonders for the world to ponder. He also didnt relish the idea of giving away his lifes work to other people to make money on his theorums, much like faraday, edison and other famous inventors.I am not saying that all of what he wrote or published was verbose and concise, but more along the lines of introductry thought and "what if?"certainly not all lies as you stated.I have worked personally for the last 4 years on stans projects and know exactly how he succeeded in making a vehicle run on water. The vehicle is on a local tv station news video on youtube for the world to see,no wires or secret tanks ,all independently inspected by the station before the broadcast,(I have a vid of that!) Everything I said I said in the previous post is true! I cannot lie as god is my witness! If you cannot accept god into your life,too bad...
Water actually disaccossiates at several different frequencies as I have observed,all the way up to 26ghz region. I have built several lower freq occilator circuits, obtained a gigatronics 600 which took me to 18ghz, and built another oscillator that took me to 30ghz,a chinese designed unit. I dont use resonant freqs in my current designs as cavitation works more efficiently in turbine engine designs.I have been running my boat(21ft daycruiser) on water only for about 3 years now...)
I am currently working with COFADENA in bolivia thru my partner who lives there to negotiate a contract with the president of chile to bring a maglev bullet train to chile, along with a narrow guage system up into bolivia to transport sulpher to the chinese thru the freeport in chile. We just signed a 300million dollar contract in new york yesterday to build 4 geothermal power plants in bolivia in those sulpher mines to sell power to brazil and chile. Alot of this is being accomplished thru Mikhail Prokerhov of russia and other investors I am not at liberty to mention. We are an International org. based in over 50 countries. We are bigger than the Illuminati and have more global control than they do. One thing we all have in common is our belief that God put us here to accomplish good and provide for the common good. We have scientists,doctors, lawyers,engineers, some have money, some dont. But, WE ALL BELIEVE IN GOD!
In all of the drivel you have spouted, not once have I heard of any accomplishments you have succeeded with in water or hydrogen driven equipment. What is your contribution to all this or are you just pleasured with naysaying and calling people liars just to try and disrupt ongoing technical advancements?...artinvegas...

 

Another thing...

Armchairidioto,
My projects were observed by state senators, representatives and president george bush and was mentioned in his last state of the union address with 4 representatives of our organization in the audience for all the world to see. "We are making advancements in alternative fuels and other energy producing methods to relieve our country from the bonds to foreign oil interests. I have personally observed systems running on water alone, some of these may be implemented by as early as 2012 in our auto industries". I have a 45hp turbine (bladeless) in development for use in the 2012 chevy volt, built with some of stans designs. (We are building a lithium battery plant in bolivia) Nasa (who signed a contract the day he died(I have a copy from his lawyer of the contract which allows them to use his designs ,dead or alive...)uses stans designs on the space station to regenerate waste into potable water.(yuk,it works..)The chinese are developing direction nozzles based on stans designs for use in outer space..(ion propulsion...)It seems to me and others that stan left a cornacopia of data and scientific physics to advance the cause for world change and for the good of mankind...
My main contribution is to prove the use of hydrogen as an alternative fuel,using water as a storage medium.Stan Meyer was but one contributer to that end. Horvath, and puharic were other major contributers as well.
As I mentioned previously, anyone who wants to CONTRIBUTE to these discussions in a scientifically based manner are more than welcome to join our yahoo forums on wfcy2k or watercar to discuss this further . We have files and photos and vids to back up what we say.(AND more than 16000 members worldwide...) artinvegas...

 

So already insults flying, eh? I must have hit you in a nerve. Pathetic effort from a "doctor" of quantum piss..sorry physics.

Your posts are full of contradictions, no amount of bad language will change that. They are now in open for ever.

Keep badmouthing, it only goes to show you are no "doctor" of anything. And have nothing to show for.

And your Bolivian story is quite good too. A maglev trainll the way to the Tierra del Fuego...

When you show your "secretive" work, I'll show you mine. I do not want anyone either to beat me to the "bank"...My secrets are world-saving. So revolutionary, my head is spinning. Like I am going to tell you what I am doing.

And all that jazz, as you know only too well.

 

some fact checking on the free-energy con man

Artinvegas, the other free-energy proponents on this list are probably just mistaken. You are a deliberate liar and con man. You should stick to lies that are harder to check. For example, it is easy to look up Bush's last state of the union speech. Here is the entirety of what he said about energy:

You also gave us enough clues to figure out who you are, assuming that this isn't just one big string of whoppers:

Let's just take some of the easier ones, shall we?

(1) You clearly don't have a degree in physics. If you did, you could put together a coherent sentence about the technology instead of the just spouting meaningless strings of tech-soundy words. You obviously don't know what the technical and scientific words mean because you can't put them together into a meaningful sentence.

(2) No one has ever built a working hot fusion device.

(3) No one named Michael Lapointe has ever won a Nobel price in physics.

(4) The fourth-largest ISP in 1997 was IBM. I missed the news articles where IBM was bought out by a startup telecom company.

(5) I don't know what an "oc3 plant" is, and neither, apparently, does Google.

(6) Regardless of what an oc3 plant is, I would think that someone who owned such plants in Peurto Rico and the Bahamas would know that Peurto Rico and the Bahamas are not in South America.

And then there is the laughable story about a Christian version of the Masons:

If such a group exists then they are either an open group or a secret group. If they are an open group then give us a link to their web site. If they are a secret group then what are you doing publishing information about them? Better be careful or they will take away your decoder ring.

 

body slam
then Dave the Crusher Gudman climbs to the top rope
turns
a sick grin on his face and the crowd cheers
he begins his wind up for the patented flying who's your daddy elbow plant
and the crowd roars


who would have thought way back when I first joined this that there would be mud wrestling on a boating forum
oh well
once I worked on a precision solid state heater for caustic chemicals and one of the most entertaining things ever was watching an office full of EE geeks argue over double pole and single throw or single pole and double throw. Funny part was I know for a fact at least half of them had genius level IQ's

 

I like the name! Or just "Crushman G" for short.

Seriously, this is guy is an actual con man trying to steal money from gullible people. I just wanted to help make sure that there was a counter to his lies here on the forum.

 

well I appreciate the time you spent dissecting the argument and although I was kinda ignoring the guy it was interesting how easily someone familiar with the topic deconstructed the difficulties within the statements

cape or mask
your choice

B

 

Whatever...

The only reason I posted a reply on this forum was to make members on this forum aware of others involved in the promotion of the use of water as a fuel. Some of the ideas mentioned in these threads could be useful in other forums to help someone attempting to accomplish successful results and not having to reinvent the wheel, so to speak.(the title reads "gas from water,(waterfuel),HHO technology")
So, the invitation still stands, and If anyone wishs to join those forums , where we have proof of Stan Meyers accomplishments,A. Puharic,J. Horvath, and others, You are more than welcome if you have something to contribute.

Since I joined this forum , I have been called a liar and a "conman". Everything I mentioned or stated was true. I work towards a goal where my children and thiers can enjoy a life free from pollution and disease. There are those who find great satisfaction in character assasination and personal defamatory remarks, thinking this makes them more personable. If they put as much effort into accomplishing a common goal as using a natural resource to produce energy (as I thought this forum thread was about), the world would be better off indeed...
I will not post any more info here as it upsets some people when they see something that doesnt fit in thier line of thought.
God bless you anyway...artinvegas...

 

Yeah, Bolivia-Chile maglev train is the biggest truth of all your truths. Followed closely with your personal portfolio of "investments", and let us not forget the Phd in Quantum physics and the Nobel Prize winner who received it for your work too. He did, you didn't...And he doesn't even exist.

You are the leader in that department. Remember how you called me Armchairidioto? And I wasn't rude to you. Of course, that may be your WASP humor that I cannot grasp, being such a simpleton.

I'll laugh anyway. Will look good. Like I got the joke.

When a Phd in quantum physics talks about "god" as a believer, I shiver and fear for the quants. And the physics...'Coz "god" and that Nobel Prize winner will have to be the same character.

May Marx open your eyes and lead you to the righteous ways.

 

New Hydrogen Generation Catalyst

Inexpensive metal catalyst for generating hydrogen from water discovered by Berkeley scientists

Hydrogen would command a key role in future renewable energy technologies, experts agree, if a relatively cheap, efficient, and carbon-neutral means of producing it can be developed. An important step towards this elusive goal has been taken by a team of researchers with the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and the University of California, Berkeley. The team has discovered an inexpensive metal catalyst that can effectively generate hydrogen gas from water.

“Our new proton reduction catalyst is based on a molybdenum-oxo metal complex that is about 70 times cheaper than platinum, today’s most widely used metal catalyst for splitting the water molecule,” said Hemamala Karunadasa, one of the co-discoverers of this complex. “In addition, our catalyst does not require organic additives, and can operate in neutral water, even if it is dirty, and can operate in sea water, the most abundant source of hydrogen on earth and a natural electrolyte. These qualities make our catalyst ideal for renewable energy and sustainable chemistry.”

Karunadasa holds joint appointments with Berkeley Lab’s Chemical Sciences Division and UC Berkeley’s Chemistry Department. She is the lead author of a paper describing this work that appears in the April 29, 2010 issue of the journal "Nature," titled “A molecular molybdenum-oxo catalyst for generating hydrogen from water.” Co-authors of this paper were Christopher Chang and Jeffrey Long, who also hold joint appointments with Berkeley Lab and UC Berkeley. Chang, in addition, is also an investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI).

...more here:
http://www.designfax.net/enews/20100525/feature-3.asp#