french style sailing barge

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  1. SaugatuckWB
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    I can send you the Rufus plans if you give me an email address. Might help with construction specifics.
     
  2. philSweet
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    Don't know if there is anything of use to you here, but I was fiddling around with this as a Great Loop boat. It is shown with a substantial sail rig, but this could be reduced by half and not bother most people.

    Using an outboard for the Great Loop is going to be a bit of a challenge. You don't want to just hang one off the transom on a boat that large. It ends up plunging up and down faster than it is going forward. The prop really needs to be under the boat, closer to the center of rotation and where the hull controls the inflow to the prop. You also want a bigger diameter prop than what is available, but the largest Bigfoot would do, built into a well with a jackplate. There's no reason it couldn't be mounted in front of the deckhouse in your designs. Use good noise suppression and provide the well with an exhaust blower. It's your choice whether you want to burn $30 dollars of gas, or $15 of diesel per day. A small inboard diesel would cost around $10,000 additional to fit as a guess.
     

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    sent you a message
     
  4. msaxton
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    Phil,
    the twin outboards (long shaft, horsepower not determined yet, one on each side of and in close proximity to the rudder/keel) would have steering from the helm connected directly into the rudder steering.
    horsepower on the outboards will be determined after it's built and do some testing. will have the ability to lift the motors out of water when under sail power
     
  5. SaugatuckWB
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    For Propulsion an outboard or twins have the advantage of much better manuveurablity being able to direct the thrust v. an inboard where you rely on the rudder.

    To take advantage of this you would want them (it) as close to the stern as possible or even set back behind the transom a bit if they weren't in wells. I'd move them away from the keel as well.

    As an example of horsepower requirements:

    My boat : 10x28' 9500# barge

    I started w/ an old 25hp tohatsu because I got it for $75
    The prop was 8.5x13 . This was too small and the pitch was too high. It worked (top speed 4.5 mph) but made stopping and tight quarters handling something of a nightmare. After a couple months I finally found and installed a 9.25 x 6 prop (the largest diameter that would fit) . This made a huge difference. Top speed 5 mph and handling improved dramatically. But the motor wouldn't rev up very high (not enough power)

    The last year I put a Honda 40HP on it. 11.25 x 8 (or maybe a 7, can't remember) prop. This works great. 7 mph top speed, no problem with stopping and handling. Uses very little fuel and quiet.

    The Mercury Bigfoot would be even better. Lower gearing and you can fit a bigger diameter prop. Used are hard to find in the 40HP or lower range around Michigan. They quit making the 25hp. Bigger than 40hp would be overkill, particularly if you had twins.
     
  6. msaxton
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    Interesting diamond sail here, but watching the video, he says hes using a remote controlled catamaran, so is the cat powering itself or is the sail doing all the powering, Things that make you go hmmm

    http://outrigmedia.com/outrig/multihulls-media/diamond-rig-designed-by-john-marples/
     
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    Nice selection, Bolger's would be the simplest to build, could have a large house in the middle and would sail for real. The hull takes 18 sheet of ply. Good ply not great ply at 50 bucks a sheet, $900.00 , not bad for a start.
     
  9. msaxton
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    well, got started putting the model of the hull together today( Made some changes to the hull), will post pics when done, But might not be till next weekend as i will be working some long hours this week
     
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    Yes , agreed that would be a good start.

    I would go that little extra and get the "better" plywood , the fit - out could be simple , and ( relatively ) quick , mostly straight lines and square corners to the cabin interior , so saving some money.

    I think you are right about Bolger`s scow , would not be a bad sailing craft given the right conditions.
     
  11. msaxton
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    Just to let y'all know, I have not given up on planning for this boat, just have been real busy at work and also building a skin on frame kayak, trying to have that done by spring (actual spring, not calendar spring)
     
  12. SamSam
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    I'm just bumping this as I like the idea of those French sailing "barges". Did anything much happen with this?
     
  13. SamSam
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    I still like them.
    Living on a barge https://onabargeinfrance.com/2013/03/06/living-on-a-barge/



    We’re so sorry https://onabargeinfrance.com/2016/11/09/were-so-sorry/
     
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  15. Dolfiman
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    In complement, this wiki in French on "Toue Cabanée" :
    Toue cabanée — Wikipédia https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toue_cabanée

    And this site : Toue Cabanée : bateau fluvial et hébergement insolite à Digoin, Bourgogne http://www.toue-cabanee.fr/

    If you search with Toue Cabanée on YouTube, you can have plenty of videos, like these ones :

    In english, How to build a Loire Toue cabanee :
     
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