Force 7 Ocean Wave

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  1. CarlosK2
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    Wind Force (Sail): 1350 Newtons
    Lever arm (h): 4 m
     
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    Now all that remains is to carefully calculate the hydrodynamics of the magic carpet's stable equilibrium on the Yaw axis.

    The magic carpet begins to glide with Force 4 waves, and more wind and waves there are, the more fun the magic carpet becomes.

    hydroDynamic CLR =

    + Max Michael Munk Moment
    + Keel Lateral Force x lever arm
    + Rudder (without moving it, without touching it, without looking at it) Lateral Force x lever arm
     
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    Beating Upwind
    25 knots @ 10 m

    230 kg sea water
    1 electric pump
     
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    The waves are too high to move forward, or we want to avoid possible damage, as has often happened when beating upwind. We want the sailboat and its crew to rest.

    We stop the sailboat with the rudder blades out of the water.

    Heaving to with reefed MainSail

    The storm is worse than we expected.

    Plan B

    We lower the mainsail and deploy the sea anchor with 100 meters of rope. We hug the sea, bow to the waves, with the rudder blades out of the water.
     
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    Force 7 Ocean Wave

    Well, here is my proposal
     
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    Mast Closed

    the halyards on the outside, it is a barbaric superstition to make holes in the mast which is one of the three sacred things along with the keel and the rudder

    10 mm Plywood Epoxy Fiber

    Bottom: 800 g/sqm
    Topside: 500 g/sqm
    Deck: 200 g/sqm

    Hull: 400 kg
    Keel: 265 kg
    Things: 200 kg
    1 Crew and clothes: 100 kg
    Fresh water and Food: 150 kg

    150 D/L full Loaded
     
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    And

    AutoPilot, WindPilot ... ?

    Nein, nein, nein

    Verboten

    (Pure harmony with the wind and waves)

    Upwind, the sailboat is 'steered' by a slingshot rubber band/tube and forces equilibrium

    Downwind, with gennaker, the sailboat sails with a helmsman/woman, and in all other cases Downwind, the rudder is entrusted to the StaySail Boom and a slingshot rubber band
     
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    In the last DownWind case ...

    the boat sails with the rudders fixed and the StaySail reduced with its single reef and centered
     
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    Obviously, it's during the incoming and outgoings that one curses sailing in a fuxxx One-ton Windsurf board and not a 30-ton Yacht.

    You have to be very careful in these cases with the time, the wind, and the tide.
     
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    1 Ton Plywood Epoxy
    WindSurf Board

    Chine at stem: + 2 cm
    Chine at transom: + 30 cm
    Center of Gravity Vertical Position: +/- 0.0

    1) hydroDynamic Lift
    2) Force of the Earth
    3) hydroStatic Force
    4) hydroDynamic Suction

    Still photo at takeoff
    Froude number 0.60

    Takeoff speed: 8.8 knots

    Top speed of the magic carpet carried in the arms of the great Ocean Swell and propelled by the Wind Force and ... the Almighty Force of the Earth: Wave speed: 12-14-16-18-20 knots



    Drag at 20 knots: 3000 Newtons
    Force of the Earth: 2000 Newtons
    Force of the Wind: 1000 Newtons

    True Wind: 30 knots

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    It's all very New Agey.
     
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    old "Baroudeur"
    19.19 ft LWL, 2.2 tons
    crew: 1 retired merchant mariner

    From Barbate to Canary islands

    Force 6

    5.5 knots, peak Surf 10 knots

    5.5 knots, peak Surf 12 knots

    Force 7

    6 knots, peak Surf 16 knots

    6 knots, peak Surf 12 knots

    7 knots, peak Surf 20 knots

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    brand new 45 ft Yacht
    crew: 1 owner (naval architect) + seasick wife + seasick friends = 1

    From Madeira to Canary islands

    Force 7

    Roll
    Pitch
    Yaaaw

    Roll
    Pitch
    Yaaaw

    16 hours (!) 16
    chained to the wheel

    (2 powerful AutoPilot)

    16 hours chained to the wheel...
    for the second time/summer (!)

    OMFG

    That's why the owner had installed a second, more powerful autopilot ... obtaining the same result: condemned to be chained to the wheel

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    1 Ton WindSurf Board
    For an old fogey

    Some Amish seem to accept electricity ...

    so ... once a high bar is set (tying with an old boat and the sailboat almost sails alone without a helmsman) ... the bar could be relaxed and an Autopilot accepted

    Pcnautic Tiller Autopilot https://pcnautic.com/en/product/pcnautic-autopilot-tiller-pilot

    It is an unimportant detail

    the important issue is the good dynamic behavior
     
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    Yes, autopilot

    Upwind allows the boat to sail faster at 6 knots (boxes A1 and B1)

    Windex = 35° (A10, B10) is logical and natural when the wind picks up

    (with the rudder fixed or with a slingshot rubber band/tube, it's necessary to sail closer to the wind)

    And Downwind is also more effective.
     

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    Passive safety can be greatly improved.

    Upwind comfort can be significantly improved.

    The appendages can be made retractable, allowing for many options, from anchoring in a shallow area to resting the boat on a sandy beach, and leaving the sailboat standing bow-first into the waves with a reefed mainsail or a sea anchor.

    Small boats have huge potential.

    It doesn't take a committee of NASA scientists to turn this little beast into a safer and much more comfortable boat.

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    - old "Baroudeur"
    - 1 Ton WindSurf Board for an old fogey
    - MiniTransat Pogo 2

    The difference in speed is obviously the average speed.

    The peak/top speed (which can last 30-60 seconds) is the same because the boat is in the arms of the big wave.

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    The speed reached is a funny and amusing matter but it is irrelevant to the big question: the boat is going to be propelled by gigantic forces and if it cannot accelerate in a controlled manner then it is very uncomfortable or unmanageable or even flips like a church bell.
     
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