For those who carry arms on their boats-

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  1. myark
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    myark Senior Member

    are you bored
    I like the cat design that the middle part comes out to be another boat.
    crashing out its 1 am
    Cheer up
     
  2. tunnels

    tunnels Previous Member

    we dont need bang bang type guns

    grow up people you dont need to hide:( behind a gun ! in a boat ???what about in a plane ????do you take them to the toilet as well ?? you need a part of you brain removed ! but how do you operate on a pea ! micro surgery ??:D
     
  3. gonzo
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    I find it really surprising the highly emotional response to our gun Laws. How do they affect the life of people in these other countries, that the have the need to be aggressive, insulting and to raise themselves as experts on American Law?
     
  4. El_Guero

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    Yes, but you are still ok enough to point out the dangers of medicine are MUCH greater than the dangers of guns.

    Iatrogenesis is the greatest killer in the USA and one of the greatest world-wide.

    And NO you are not 1% likely to die from a gunshot. You are 100% likely to die from a fatal gunshot.

    Whether you die from a gunshot or not is a different probability. If you are only looking at the general population (non criminal behavior) you run about a 0.00001% probability of dying from gunshot. And if you are properly trained, your odds are about 1% of that ....

    :cool:
     
  5. El_Guero

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    All weapons should be regulated the same. The Constitution does not RESTRICT Americans from owning canon ....

    *********** has a much greater link to violence and gun violence than do guns themselves ....

    Ironic.

    Why do people want to encourage hatred, violence, and murder and do not want to slow it down is beyond my simple way of looking at life.
     
  6. Alex.A
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    Gonzo - you were insulting too. We find it offensive because the preventable deaths of human beings is offensive. We think that guns are part of this problem. You guys don't seem to make the connection. Offensive - not really, it's the attitude that you cannot possibly be wrong that is offensive.....
    How does it have an effect on people in other countries? We have America shoved down our throats on the news and don't like seeing school shootings and other gun violence.
    Do you?
    Go back to the isolationism policy and the rest of the world would only be too happy!
    Really.
    No experts on American law - it's too confusing and doesn't make sense... Do you agree, in the face of other school shootings, that 2 men have a disagreement in a school parking lot, pull guns and shoot each other, a passerby and only get charged with aggravated assault?!?
    Obviously the "good" use of guns doesn't make newsworthy stories.
    You would think it would......
    What's this new law that allows gun owners to get involved in situations that have nothing to do with them?
    Guy see's a " suspicious" man in neighbourhood, confronts him. Ends in shooting.
    Guy was just taking a shortcut home...... Or was it that he was black?
    I moved from South Africa because of crime and violence and never felt that I needed a gun there.... Is America really worse?
    I very much doubt it!!!!
    Admit you want guns simply because you like having them?
    Realistically, they cause more problems than they solve and that should override the wants of the few.
     
  7. Alex.A
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    Alex.A Senior Member

    "It's not guns that kill people - it's people that kill people".
    Well, stop giving people guns.......
     
  8. Alex.A
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    Ohno! More slogans......
     
  9. Petros
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    death by guns is irrelevant, total murder rate is. The murder rate in the USA is lower than London.

    the whole argument is irrelevant. You can stop murder rate by putting all suspect in jail for life without a trial. We do not do that, it is a violation of civil rights. An so is disarming law abiding citizens. Both are civil rights violations.

    It is not about if you need to own it or not, it is not about how many people die by guns. All irrelevant. We have civil rights that can not be taken away without due process on the individual.

    All of your opinions are irrelevant on this topic. We value all of our civil rights, that will not change.
     
  10. Alex.A
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    Your "civil rights" allow" crazies to to have firearms......if the filter worked better, it wouldn't.
    I did military "service" in a crazy country. Guns make people crazy. I respect what Leslie p says but my experience was different.....
    Many came out worse than going in.
    Many ended up messed up. Why? Because they "had to " shoot people. Dead.
    After they received no psychelogical help.
    Some killed themselves.
    Having a gun and having to use it is crap.
    Killing another human being - for whatever reason - is crap.
    It leaves a permanent mark. Many of my battalion were "scarred".
    They ended up doing suspect jobs in Africa as "security" etc.( mercenary work).
    Many ended up as alcoholics and drug addicts. More killed themselves.
    Killing people- for whatever reason will **** a person up - no matter how righteous.
    Guns are not the solution.
     
  11. troy2000
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    Weapons are regulated in America. They're regulated a whole lot more than Playboy magazines are. That obviously isn't good enough for you; you want them banned instead.

    Hey.... maybe I should take a look at what you guys are doing wrong in Spain, and start browbeating you to do it my way instead. Fair enough? I could start with the way you've mishandled this whole ETA mess over the years. Let's see, there have been how many bombings over the years? How many people killed?
     
  12. Alex.A
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    Spin doctoring....
    Best "spin" on your angle while finding faults in the opposition.
    Seems to work both ways.....
     
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  13. pdwiley
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    Aaaah. That explains a *lot*. Guns make people crazy, right.

    Lessee, I've owned guns since I was 14, I'm pushing 60. My wife owns guns. My children own guns. My father owned guns. My neighbours own guns (we live in a semi-rural area). A lot of people I know own guns.

    None of us have any criminal charges laid against us, let alone convictions. None of us have ever been involved in any assaults, murders etc let alone the perpetrators of such.

    It's nice to know that we're all crazy.

    I guess, then, that it's the sane people that I need to watch out for.

    Now, kindly answer me one simple question.

    How do you plan on eliminating firearms?

    If passing a law would do the job, why do people commit murders now, seeing as it's illegal?

    I am in full agreement with Petros. There are certain rights I as a person have, and that includes the right to be free from attack, or its complement - the right to defend myself against an attack. As the state cannot and does not guarantee any such freedom, only to (attempt to) punish the perpetrator after the event, I'm not willing to cede my right to a 3rd party.

    As a matter of choice, I am happily living where the risk of threat to myself is so low that I don't need, desire or bother with firearms except to shoot the odd feral cat, but if I lived in a high crime area, my attitude would be different.

    As for firearms aboard boats, too much hassle & paperwork and I must admit that I was unaware of Mexico (and I assume other places') policy WRT declaration and getting permits prior to entry. I thought it was sufficient to declare on entry; as I understand it that's Australia's policy anyway. Not ever going to be a problem for me, I plan on staying away from areas where I might need a gun anyway. Far simpler.

    Carry on with the usual pointless argument, not like it's going to change anyones' minds. I'll just leave you with this thought to ponder.

    There is no practical way that you can prevent anyone from obtaining a firearm if they want one badly enough. Deal with that reality.

    PDW
     
  14. Petros
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    Alex, you just can not help yourself can you? when I post your opinion irrelevant, you post your opinion anyway. Must be narcissism or some other form of metal illness. no wonder they do not allow you to have guns where you live, you are already crazy even without guns.

    I agree, killing is a very bad thing. It happens and it will not stop because you do not like it. Nothing comes from passing more regulations on those that do not commit crimes. No one I know that owns firearms are crazy, so guns do not make people crazy, you are just wrong.

    If you do not like such civil rights move to the people's paradise of North Korea or Cuba. good luck. leave us alone.
     

  15. pdwiley
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    Alex moved from a country where they had very strict laws on firearms ownership - for blacks.

    Funny how that worked out so well, really....

    PDW
     
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