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  1. troy2000
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    Here, Michael. I did your research for you, since you obviously hadn't done any. :)
     
  2. michael pierzga
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    Its been known for years. Every survey establishes the link between poor education and gun ownership. . This is a 2012 survey.

    education level ... gun ownership ..... political party

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    Education exposes people to different ideas, people , culture and teaches tolerance. educational achievement produces less fear, less need to defend against bogeyman , less need to subscribe to conspiracy theories, less need to arm for Zombie apocalypse events.
     
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    “They're simply part of my life” sounds like an obsession to me.

    You also quote on your gunblogsite each time you blog "The first rule of gun fighting is, "have a gun." --Mark Moritz
    Gun fighting sounds crazy or the same as your “rabid online gun freaks consider me a gun-hating liberal. I voted for Obama, and I don't think we need full-auto machine guns and 100-round magazines in civilian hands” or “because it was being carpet-bombed with spam for ****** and other prescription drugs.”

    Kim Dotcom no longer owns a gun or a gun license because of the strict New Zealand gun laws as guns are not allowed for self defence.
     

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    The internet is full of graphs and other colorful pictures. However, anyone can make them. Government officials either have or cause to have guns. They are in the higher education group. In the USA there is no legal right to be defended by the police forces, but there is the legal right to defend yourself. Surveys show such a diverse range of results that they have to be read carefully. Each side picks results that favor them, mostly without honesty. Any results that agree with their position is accepted and any that doesn't rejected. It is a complex situation and, as all social problems, it changes and has not solution. These social issues can be improved though, but the magical solution is a lie to buy votes.
     
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    I don't see anything about guns. That looks like a graph correlating education levels with political party membership to me, and there's no valid link for me to go to.
     
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    Also, the graph shows Republicans as better educated. I don't get the inference.
     
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    What would you expect me to have as a tag line on my own gun-oriented website? Maybe I should change it to, "Please don't ever have a gun in your house. You might accidentally hurt a home-invasion robber someday, while he's ransacking your house and raping your wife and daughters."

    "He has better things to do with his time?" Oh please.... is that the best you can do? You dump all over several million Americans for owning guns, but you're willing to give Dotcom's chrome plated AK-47's a pass? I thought those were illegal as hell in New Zealand.
     
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    Err emm

    Education level...... gun ownership.... political party in red or blue .

    High school or less education has a gun ownership rate of 41 percent overall
    Postgradute education has a gun owneship rate of 32 percent
     
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    It shows that Republicans have about twice the gun ownership than Democrats, regardless of educational level. The ratio actually increases as the educational level increases.
     
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    Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.
     
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    If Dotcom no longer has guns, it's because they were taken away from him. Which is a good thing, in my opinion. Any twit who chrome-plates AK-47's and scatters them around for home decor has no business getting anywhere near one; he doesn't have a healthy respect for what they can do.

    This 'mountains out of molehills' meme you have going is a rather curious one. It seems only to apply to your fat hero and his faults. You don't think it's making mountains out of molehills when you carry on about my guns......

    You have a problem with Moritz's rules for a gunfight? I don't. As a combat veteran, they seem like simple common sense to me. But the one he left out is the most important one of all, unless you're on a battlefield and getting paid to engage the enemy, or you're a cop getting paid to head towards trouble instead of away from it:

    The most successful gunfight is the one you were able to avoid completely.


    In civilian life, getting into a gunfight probably means you screwed up somehow. You walked down a dark alley instead of going around; you left your garage door rolled up and forgot to lock the one leading from the garage into the house; you ran out of gas driving through a bad neighborhood late at night.

    So why do I keep a gun around anyway? Because I'm not perfect; I screw up sometimes. And if I do blow it and wind up in a gunfight someday, I'd like to have a gun with me, thankyouverymuch.:)
     
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    Where did you get that graph? It directly contradicts the statistics put out by the US National Library of Medicine, under the auspices of the National Health Institute. Those are the numbers I posted.

    Never mind; I see the difference. Your graph only counts registered voters who say they own guns. The National Library of Medicine counted households with children in them, instead. Familes, in other words. A much more accurate and useful statistic, unless you're a politico counting potential votes..... and it's interesting that the better educated the parents are and the higher their income, the more likely they are to have a gun in the home. That's exactly the opposite of what you want to believe, isn't it? ;)
     
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    Again: exit polls count registered voters. Registered voters are not a perfect sampling of the general population. And even if they were, we'd also have to accept your definition of 'low achiever' as someone without a college education. I made $110,000 in 2012, but I don't have a college degree. Am I a low achiever?

    Instead of continuing to push the nonsensical idea that anyone without a college degree is too stupid or ignorant to get rid of his guns, why don't you address the facts and figures I quoted from the National Library of Medicine, about guns in family homes? It isn't like they're gun advocates, you know.....
     
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    Its possible that the trend is misrepesented and gun ownership for the poorly educated need to by raised

    We do know the relationship between education and voting.

    No high school 38%
    Some high school 43
    High school graduate 57
    Some college 66
    College grad 79
    Post-graduate 84


    Highly educated people are more likely to vote and own fewer guns.
    Poorly educated gun owners dont vote and they own the most guns

    You can figure it out.

    the numbers dont lie.
     

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