Fish On Boats by Becker Custom Marine

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  1. jbeboatman
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    Hi my name is Jeff Becker and I am going to build a few new boats called Fish On. Bought an Angler 204 mold that needs some loving and will build a Walleye dual console and a center console model. Here is a start of the project and looking forward to meeting new people and gaining insight from all of you who would like to help me. Thanks and let the building begin.
     

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    Not to rain on your parade, but did you buy the production rights too?
     
  3. TANSL
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    If you specify better the areas you need help, maybe some expert could be offered for specific things.
    Good luck with your goals.
     
  4. jbeboatman
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    rights

    Company is out of production should be fine
     
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    update

    Mold transom repair moving along well
     

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    just because you own the mold, does not mean you own the Haul design, or the rights to make it for resale,
    most boat manufactures trademark their name and pattern there haul design.

    just check with them, are they still selling this haul design, (did they make a new mold and sell you their old one) if they did you have to have it in writing that you have the rights to sell this haul. if they are out of business you still need it in writing, or latter down the line they can come after you and you LOSS 100% of everything and they can get a judgment against you on the money you have made, (note I did not say profit) but any moneys made. Now I am not giving you legal advise, I am only giving some examples of the extreme witch in your case may or may not be a reality.

    just cover your BUTT
     
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    They might have been building the boats and paying royalties to the designer. The mold does not give you legal rights to build. Make sure of your legal status before investing more.
     
  8. jbeboatman
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    mold

    If I have to I will change the mold by ten percent which will make it mine now onto the business at hand building boats thanks for the interest but I will be fine peace
     
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    Not any more. Those laws have been changed. A minor cosmetic change does not make it a new design. You need to prove that there has been a significant change. For example, that the boat now can reach a higher speed because the bottom was modified.
     
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    mold

    no problem I see the need for steps, pads and relief pockets might as well just do it now
     
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    copyright

    Upon further review this hull was never copy written so I will take a chance when I build 4-6 boats a year that someone would not want to invest the money to try to take me out wish me luck
     
  12. SamSam
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    Maybe it will be all right, it depends on if the new owners decide to resume production. http://appprod.dep.state.fl.us/air/emission/aces/ACES_facility.asp?txtFacID=9419


    [​IMG] Miami International Boat Show

    February 12-16, 2015 | Miami Beach Convention Center | Sea Isle Marina | Miamarina at Bayside Marketplace

    Ballesgreen LLC DBA Angler Boats
    4450 NW 128th St.
    Opa Locka FL 33054P: (305) 469-3789
    F: (305) 691-9377
    www.anglerboats.com Booth: 3360 - Outside Bulk


    http://www.miamiboatshow.com/attendees/exhibitors/exhibitors.aspx#anchorB


    Aside from that, the mold looks like it's been beat senseless and dragged around by it's hair. It's got to be a splash, it doesn't look like a respectable production mold.

    It needs a LOT of work to turn out retail store boats with good cosmetics, but would probably work fine for making work boats or something, or a plug to finish and then making a good mold from that. Maybe it's not so bad, but you can't tell that from the photos.

    The orange gel coat is tooling gel, the black is either something they put on to protect it somewhat before they retired it to the back 40, intending to put a skim coat of mat on and remove it if they ever used the mold again, or the orange got so bad they re-coated and worked it down to be the production surface.

    Before you glass up the transom, make sure the mold hasn't any twists or such as you might lock in a twist or bulge or some discrepancy in the shape when you glass it up.

    Do you have the liner mold for the inside of the hull? How about a lamination schedule or a plan for structure, like stringers, frames etc?
     

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    Plan

    Yes it is rough but straight but I can make a fine mold from it. I have a composite lay up schedule and will use a plascore grid stringer system and a plascore floor, it will be a open boat with a cap on it and a full transom and bracket. Coosa board transom with all light weight compartments custom built and glassed in. Dual console and center console boats will have drop out bolster seats and later a tiller model will be offered. After repairs a good block sanding and re tooling gel will make her a good mold for my low production thanks for your interest
     
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