Ferry in India sinks: When will they learn?

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  1. JosephT
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    Life is cheap and not much for effective safety regulations -
     
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    How much draw and ballast does a boat such as that have ??
     
  4. Saildude
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    The Ferry that sank was a double decker - not the one shown in the picture.
     
  5. Submarine Tom

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    And what is there to learn exactly?
     
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    Last year I was doing on-site check of passenger boats at Brahmaputra river, they are like this:
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    Very basic and very dangerous, no clew about safe loading. 'Engine control' consists of two housing light switches; three times right switch - bell in engine room - full ahead.
     
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    Why do you think it isn't the first one? That is a double decker. A quick nose count puts it in the ballpark also. Although the location doesn't look quite right. Failing to name the ship and it's owners is sad. Probably the same folks who promised to send the rescue aide. So the public ends up paying twice and the owner isn't even IDed.

    The local police said the storm did it:rolleyes:

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/291205/indian-ferry-with-250-aboard-sinks

    Practical people, those policemen. The same the world over.
     
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    What's new? This occurs all over the third world, daily. People are plentiful and powerless so of course it'll continue. We take for granted the "burden" of our government regulations, usually bitching about it's over reach and paper work, forgetting that it exists because we had to learn the same hard lessons these poor folks are. Except they don't have a system to address these and other equally as distressing concerns, so with luck, they'll be close enough to the shore to swim to safety. This awfully typical in countries where the people don't have an effective voice.
     
  10. Ad Hoc
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    Not just 3rd world Paul. Statistically, a vessel sinks everyday somewhere in the world. It only comes to the attention of the media if there is sufficient interest. Like the Costa Concordia, a fine example!..but how often do you hear of container ships going or barges of fishing boats etc...

    And is why, is related here. I read an interesting paper many years ago on such events. Basically the cost of a life is some 50 times higher in developed countries to those lesser developed. The insurance value placed on a human life in say a typ 3rd world country is a pittance...yet in a developed country..the insurance value is significantly higher. And then you get the compensation aspect coming into it too...the voice. Easier to pay the death duties (cheaper) than pay for higher safety standards!

    The fragile nature of life in many 3rd world countries is reflected in the attitude to death by insurance companies and people in general. Not to make light of someone misfortune, but that is the harsh reality. In 3rd world country the attitude is almost of..."..well, just have another one.."..and they do many kids!!...thus, here today gone tomorrow.

    When i worked in the Philippines many years ago, the bus drivers are lunatics and drive like madmen on a mission. I later discovered why...if they run over someone, they are instructed to insure the person is dead (go over several times if needed). The death duties are peanuts compared with hospital bills which they are obliged to pay!
     
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    Costa Concordia - isn't it 'third world' as well?

    There is nothing to do with 'effective voice'; India is quite a democratic country with media showing more criticism compared media in US. Those countries of 'third world' are still too poor to afford better infrastructure because 'first world' was ripping them off for centuries! British governor have even stolen golden spires from TajMahal and scraped out golden motifs right there in Red Fort palace... greedy barbarians.
     
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    There might be no insurance; the whole life is at own risk of person. This is religious issue - they trust in reincarnation; life is hard at present but might be better next time...

    I talked to the guy who was head of inland waterways department there; that's the attitude.
     
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    Unless you come back as a rodent . . . hell of a crap shoot if you ask me.
     
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    This would seem to be unregulated capitalism at work, an Ayn Rand wet dream, what many in the US think is the solution to our economic woes.
     
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    Sam Sam. Capitalism has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is a Govt controlled monopoly of sorts. There is no better way to control a population than to provide inadequate utilities and services. Enough to foster dependance, but not enough to permit individual enterprise.
     
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