Excuse me but there is a ghost on my boat.

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  1. rwatson
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    My inclination is to be skeptical, but I remember years ago passing a group of people around the coffee machine at work.

    They were all taking it in turns listening to a video recording of a "voice" that a man and his son had recorded in a prison in Melbourne during an overnight vigil. You could hardly discern it - a bit disappointing.

    On impulse, I went back to my desk and got my $500 Bose headphones.

    Then me, and everyone else who listened through the headphones had the hair on their necks stand up straight to hear the very clear deep voice of German woman telling us to "go away" ( in German, so the translator told us ) The guy was shocked to hear how clear the voice really was.

    Made me wonder .
     
  2. Leo Lazauskas
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    No point in betting on the physicists at CERN winning the Nobel
    Prize for Physics then. CERN could have bought about 100 million
    Sponberg Ghost Detectors for the same price as the LHC.
    Better get the tux dry-cleaned, Eric: You're going to Stockholm!
     
  3. Wynand N
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    Eric's company car chasing spooks ;)

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    I just could not resist:)

    Seriously Eric, I had a visitor in my house for about 7 - 8 years and at times I could see him/her moving about, not as a "person" but rather like a greyish misty figure and it operated in day and night. When it was in your direct vicinity its like walking into a freezer. He was particular busy in a specific room but did wander about the house.
    Sometimes my dogs would reverse down the passage, barking and looking UP at something, back hairs straight up before pissing themselves and running away and at a later time be wary going down the passage again. Sometimes it will come sit on my bed and you feel the bed taking it's weight spooking the wife and me. Sometimes when you feel it (cold) near you, the smell of cigarette smoke will be sickening - as a mater of fact neither my wife or I ever smoked....and nobody is allowed to smoke in my house.
    This ghost got a bit aggressive recently and thrown a clock twice off a wall across the room in the study and I then removed the clock altogether - it even attacked me in bed! This made me call in some clergyman twice which did not helped and a friend who visited me one day about 2 months ago (he is an official in an old sect church who apparently opens the realm of the dead annually for souls to pass on :confused:) and I told him about my unwanted visitor and he left. About 5 minutes later he phoned me and in a whisper told me the ghost is with him in his van and it will not return to my home again. He later told me in short that the ghost was a searching soul (trying to attract my attention?) and he had left him at his church.

    As it happened, he was at my place past Friday and told me the Sunday before his church had their big service of opening the realm of the dead and during the service my visitor was was him (he could feel him - cold chill) and as soon as the souls present were invited to enter the realm he felt him disappeared.

    Needless to say, after my buddy left 2 month ago and phoned me to say the ghost left with him, my house is peaceful, dogs calm etc.:cool:

    For me as an Agnostic person, this left me thinking in a big way about life after death, ghosts and religion:confused::( To some it may appear loony and perhaps I was imagining things, but this ghost even made himself known to my quests hence I did not imagined things. The clock literary flown over a PC on stand and crosses 3 meters of room with no window open or breeze in the study and it happened twice. He did slammed doors in the dead of night (and days) and even attacked me twice in bed - and it's as strong as an ox. And he was busy daily in the room mentioned and even re-arranged my son's fags from the carton into a nice arc, like a dealer spreading cards at the casino table to name but a few incidents...

    Perhaps there is life after death for some:confused:

    EDIT: I have a serious alarm system in my house (a necessity in my crime laden country) which I activate every night going to sleep - 14 infrared sensors throughout the house and never had the ghost tripped one on his ramblings in the house.
     
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    I'm looking for a "good ghost" (blond with nice **** if I have a choice) that can wrestle with me on the carpet in the heart of the night and who can attack burglars and other unwanted guests.

    Thanks (do ghosts take requests ?)
     
  5. Fanie
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    While we joke about these things, there were many many many instances where "ghosts" interacted with people. There are people that can communicate with them. Like Wynand says - there is life after death for some.
     
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    The 'other world' has been unfashionable for many years, after the 'new scientific age', and the 'age of reason'

    The best story I heard about the two confrornting views was when godless communist Yuri Gegaren ( first person to orbit the earth i think) was visiting England, and talking to conservative christian english royalty.
    Yuri had a bit if a dig - he said "I was up there for ### days, and I didnt see God once"

    The englishman thought for a second and said "Ah - but if you had stepped outside, you would have"

    Nowadays, if you try to keep up with current cosmic theory, the consensus seems to be that over half the universe is undetectable by any scientific equipment, that there are at least 4 dimensions, but most likely more than 7, and no-one knows how gravity really works.

    Its the old saying, "if you aren't confused, you are not really paying attention."
     
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    Yes, they are known as "loonies".
     
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    So are those with exceptional genius talent in math, science etc... Fortunately we do not all have the same talents
     
  9. Leo Lazauskas
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    Just bundle up your evidence for ghosts and pixies, and submit it to claim
    millions of dollars in prizes and the adulation of the scientific world. Not to
    mention the broads.
    Otherwise, it's just weird head noises.
     
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    At the cost of sounding like a smart-***, which I really wouldn't want... ;)

    Yuri Gagarin was the first person to reach the outer space, to orbit the Earth and to safely return back to Earth. The year was 1961. That feat (together with the launch of the Soviet unmanned satellite Sputnik 4 years earlier) was probably the single biggest cause of the acceleration in the development of the US space program, which resulted in the Apollo 11 mission and the famous walk on the Moon surface by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

    Why am I writing this? Because since the whole world knows about Apollo mission and about Armstrong and Aldrin's names and feats, I believe it is also fair and just to give Gagarin his well-deserved share of fame and to celebrate him too as one of brave pioneers of human space exploration, regardless of nationality or political opinions. Even writing his name correctly and knowing without hesitation what was his achievement can be enough to pay him a due respect, imo. ;)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

    Cheers
     
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    Yeah, sure, but monkeys got there first :p
     
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    Folks attribute.

    I have all my life at times seen shapes and figures floating over me or in the room when I stir in the wee hours.
    As I struggle to focus in my half sleep the apparitions rush away and are fully gone in seconds.
    I have seen figures, animals and odd beings. Sometimes in clear focus and other times misty apparitions.
    Sometimes they are very near and seem to have disturbed my sleep and other times they are across the room.
    They are "real" and seem to have intent.

    My best guess is that my mind is using the physical world as actually seen by my eyes as a palette for the dream-scape of images which fill my sleep.
    It only happens in those fleeting seconds of waking and leaves me with startled feeling of where did that thing go? "I just saw it.."


    I guess at the process and have built an explanation based on things which I know exist.
    I could, if I were a person of another mind, provide an explanation based on things which I believe to exist and use these events to provide evidence of what I believe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism
     
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    That's much better than: "I can't explain it, therefore it must be a ghost/alien/god/pixie".
     
  14. Wynand N
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    I beg your pardon:confused:
    What I experienced was real and others experienced same at my place. Watching doors opens as it squeals on dry hinges (house closed and no drafts present) is scary to experience and not weird head noises. One thing for the ears to deceive one but not eyes and ears...
    To be fair to you, lets say it was head noises, explain what make dogs reversing backwards down a passage LOOKING UPWARDS, hair standing up like a porcupine and eventually pissing themselves and scramble out, only to come back later scary and weary as *****, peaking down the passage, which incidentally leads to the room the unwanted visitor "occupied" most of the time.
    This dog thing happened a couple of times with both the Pekingese and miniature Doberman Pincher doggies.

    Let alone flying wall clocks and I did not mentioned the TV pushed clean off its stand in my sons room (ghost room) whilst he and his fiancee were watching a movie:eek:
    Someone I knew also had the same argument about imagination etc but when I dared him to stay a few days at my place he high tailed away;)

    I keep an open mind on things and like I said, these paranormal events and removal of the ghost made me wonder about things we do not understand - or want to understand - and as an Agnostic person, not an easy to fathom and probably proof that maybe there is indeed another side to life or rather death - maybe as Rwatson said, other dimensions..

    Think of it; why do most little kids/babies have "imaginary" friends they play with and usually they are told their is no one and stop imaging things. In doing so we shape their views as what is right and wrong.
    OTOH, maybe little kids minds are still "open" and not shaped by adults and they indeed can see other dimensions before being told its wrong and mentally shut their minds eye to that, and in doing so loose the gift. Sounds loony but maybe possible...
     

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    Wynand, I can believe everything you said. It all jives with the experiences of other that we meet on our ghost tours who have had experiences like yours. Definitely, cold surrounding a spirit is common. We also have a ghost at our local lighthouse who likes to smoke cigars, and that is one of the few times I have experienced a ghost--I have smelled cigar smoke up there.

    I am an atheist, yet I firmly believe that there is some netherworld where things like ghost exist. Also, we get all sorts of people from all over the world and all walks of life on our ghost tours, and so we get a variety of beliefs and outlooks. Some fundamentalist Christians firmly deny the possibility of ghosts, but they will accept the existance of angels. Catholics from Spain and other hispanic countries believe in ghosts. Muslims do not believe in ghosts, but they do believe in magic.

    What ghosts are and how they manifest themselves I do not know. One thing that seems apparent, however, is that the continuing development of digital photography seems to coincide with ever increasing awareness and documentation of ghosts. So I think there is something in the technology here that is helping the situation.

    We have a spiritualist community here in Florida called Casadega, founded in the mid 19th century and an offshoot of the Casadega spiritualist community in New York that had been founded earlier. They can communicate with the dead, called messaging. My wife and I went to one of their services about a year ago and two different "messengers" described my dead father and how he died, as well as my wife's dead mother and how she had felt about us--all very positive experiences from our point of view. These messengers did not know us from Adam and Eve, as we had not introduced ourselves at all to anyone there, nor had we even mentioned our names, yet they told us things only we would know. Very strange. One thing that they said is that spirits that you see and experience are not necessarily those individuals long dead that are attached to a particular place and time. They might have some connection to you personally and are following you around, trying to make themselves known to you.

    Bntii brings up a point that might explain some "apparitions" or experiences, and that is the power of auto-suggestion. We believe what we want to believe, and we can easily confuse that, or lay its foundation, on something in our past that has happened before. We do have memories stored in our brains somewhere, and I think sometimes they eek out and can confuse what we think we see. Not always, but it is possible.

    Thanks for the photo of the Ghostbusters mobile. Which reminds me, on one of my tours the first summer we worked ghost guides, a woman took a picture down into a dark corner of one of the old cemeteries we tour, and in her photo was an apparition of a green smeer, about the size and shape of your thumb, kind of transparent and quite like the graphic ghosts from the movie Ghostbusters. At the top of this smeer was a face, four blank holes in the apparition, two eyes, a nose, and a mouth--really weird. We did not see it with our own eyes, but it was definitely there on the lady's camera.

    Eric
     
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