"Ever Given" is new Titanic?

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  1. Squidly-Diddly
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    Its maybe sprung leaks when its fairly weak "optimized" thin hull impacted and now its taken on lot of water and is now REALLY, really grounded and sinking deeper into sand and will also sink deeper if it gets a chance like if its moved.

    So now what? Send in underwater welders to patch what they can from inside then fill what they can't patch with beach-balls, then maybe lighten the load a bit? Pump out all but tiny bit of fuel?

    Send an empty container ship with some big cranes to take off 1/2 the boxes?

    What is prediction on time frames?
     
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    I expect that the captain is in a heap of trouble. I wonder whether the ship is too big for the canal. Has it made that passage before? Has the channel in the canal shifted? No matter how you slice it, the defecation has impinged on the rotary blade.
     
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    All vessels that transit the Suez are required to take a pilot... sooo. I doubt that the hull was breached (SMIT mentioned nothing and 4 tugs and a dredger are alongside). More important is the reshaping done to the channel. I think we will hear more once they get her to the Great Bitter Lake and the southward convoy makes the transit. For those that don't know, convoys move North and South in the canal passing in the Great Bitter Lake much like a single track railway. Many support ships are positioned there.
     
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    supposedly lost both engine and rudder during high wind, so it basically cashed out of control.

    I remember reading a current ship designer say how saving a few tons of steel on even a very large ship will mean huge fuel savings over the lifetime, and hence profits both in ship building and operations, so they really try to "sharpen their pencils" and ships are built as light as possible. "operations suspended until Thursday" with over a billion dollars of cargo an HOUR on hold. Tells me they need to wait for special equipment to show up.

    Remember when they used TNT to "disperse" that beached whale? Load up an old 40,000 ton bulk freighter with fertilizer and blow the whole thing out of the canal. Bring a few junkyard type electro-magnet cranes to sweep up any remains to clear the channel. No doubt some of the merch in the boxes will semi-survive and be scattered across the desert for miles. Locals will take care of that quick enough.
     
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    BlueBell "Whatever..."

    40-knot cross winds alleged.
    A sand/dust storm also alleged.
    6-knot maximum speed in place.
    Tiny bow and stern thrusters for her windage (huge).
    Insufficient tugs perhaps.
    Directional control lost...
    Aground, times two, bow and stern.
    Chaos

    No Titanic as there's only a few meters for it to "sink" in (hence the speed limit).
     
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    I'm thinking it might be "progressive flooding" (like Titanic), and if grounded bow and stern but flooding starts adding a lot of weigh that will break its back and that will in turn bust its guts, and more flooding, and then non-repairable scuttled across the canal. Then what? Remove piece by piece after bringing in ship breaking equipment and basically setting up a ship breaking yard???
     
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    BlueBell "Whatever..."

    Ah, okay, I understand.
    Thank you for the clarification.
    Good points, good questions.
    This should have never happened...
    but it has.
    Stay tuned...
     
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    That would be a salvers wet dream, how many billion of dollars is lost each day its closed. Salvers could quote literally any price and have free run of almost any and all resources to get it open fast.
     
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    50 boats a day at $750k each!
     
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    One wonders if they do cancel transits if cross winds are high, does seem a real hazard that would be difficult to deal with.
     
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    Perish the thought they were doing a 3-point turn !
     
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    My other forum has been discussing how large of a nuclear weapon it would take to rapidly re-open the canal, and perhaps add a bit of depth at the same time!
     
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    I'm wondering if anyone's talking about how long it would take to just dredge a new canal around the thing.
     

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    saw Bloomberg reports that ship had been moved to one bank of canal and scheduled to be towed, etc, but not seeing anything or other news. maybe was a spoof. I'm guessing lots of market trading etc is going on about this so a bit of Fake News could swing markets.

    Does seem like out-sized effect for what could've been just one guy having a bad day.

    Maybe increased fees, regs and required tug boat escorts in future.

    There should be a long term ongoing solar powered operation to expand it with wheel dredgers and conveyor belts, since they got lots of sun and there would be no need to have power on constant basis for the operation.
     
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