Europe more dangerouse than USA? (gunshots vs terror threat)

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  1. troy2000
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    It would be helpful if you posted your source, so we can judge its impartiality and honesty.

    You've changed horses in the middle of the stream. You started out blaming Haiti's problems on its inability to export to the US, and you got called on it. So now you're blaming its problems on imports from the US, instead. Make up your mind....

    You're completely ignoring everything I posted about Haiti's internal situation. It's so much simpler and easier to simply blame the US, and refuse to admit that Haiti might be responsible for its own problems. But explain to me why the Dominican Republic, which is also on the Island of Hispaniola, hasn't been destroyed by the very same American policies.

    Once upon a time, it was Satan who got blamed for everything....today, it's the US. No one wants to admit to admit that some countries might be soiling their own nests.

    By what mechanism did the IMF 'force' Haiti to lower its tariffs on rice to the lowest in the Caribbean region? And why would they have singled out Haiti? I call ********....

    The fact is that American rice is filling a need in Haiti that its own farmers can no longer fill, due to all the reasons I listed in my last post.

    Even websites which deplore the impact of American rice on Haiti are honest enough to admit that it isn't simply an evil plot by imperialist American capitalists:

    There is a strong link between agricultural production and environmental degradation in Haiti. Unsustainable agricultural cultivation techniques that are designed to maximize crop yields with little regard for soil conservation are the norm in Haiti. As a result, soil erosion has become a very large problem in Haiti. The soil erosion problem has in turn decreased the productivity of the land. In order to meet the increasing food demands of the nation in the face of decreased agricultural productivity, Haitian farmers have employed even more land intensive, unsustainable cultivation techniques which have accelerated soil erosion. This vicious cycle has been on going for over 200 hundred years. In addition deforestation and decreased rainfall have had a profoundly negative impact on agriculture.

    http://www1.american.edu/TED/haitirice.htm

    In other words, much of Haiti's agricultural problem is due to the short-sightedness of its farming practices: the inability to look beyond immediate needs and short-term profits. It's like a cattle rancher who picks out his healthiest and fattest animals to sell every year, and leaves the rejects to breed -- then wonders why the quality of his herd diminishes steadily. I understand why people do such a thing, especially poor people. But that doesn't make it smart.

    edit: I do agree the government subsidies for rice in this country are obscene and need to be dropped, for a host of reasons. But I doubt it would help Haitians much, if any; they're already too deep in the hole they've dug themselves. Eliminating American rice subsidies would simply make rice even more expensive for Haitians, because it wouldn't address the core problem: they're destroying their own agricultural capacity.
     
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    And I suppose that's somehow America's fault, too?
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    Not blaming anyone for anything !!! Only pointing out that inequalities in the world create insecurity. Rich countries, particularly the US need to pay close attention because soon...like really soon....these inequalities and the race to secure natural resources, witness Mrs Clinton's recent plea with the Chinese concerning Rare Earth exports, will dominate policy making.
    Policy and security are intertwined. In the good ole days the US could sit back, ignore smoldering flames, them rush to snuff it out with a huge ,aircraft carrier mounted, fire hose. Not anymore..time for good ,non polarized RepublicanDemocrat, policy
     
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    A very simplistic and unrealistic appraisal of American foreign policy, in my opinion.

    Once upon a time, England was the greatest power in the world; it dominated a large part of the globe. So let me ask you this:

    Do you really think it was because England was too strong to be stopped? Or was it because the countries England conquered or dominated had such corrupt, inept governments, lack of education and weak economies that one tiny island nation was able to exploit them?
     
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    I dont understand. Are you saying that power projection, to big to be stopped, is a foreign policy ?
     
  6. Leo Lazauskas
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    Of course.
    And if not, then it's Israel's fault
    And if not, then it's Russia's fault
    And if not, then it's China's fault
    ...
    And if not, then it's Zimbabwe's fault.

    And if it's not any of you guys, then Australia will take the fall.
     
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    ity's hoys fault
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    The border has looked like that for the last 30 years that I know of.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Look closer. We are not so rich anymore. The big Zero has with the help of his predecessors emptied our coffers and left us all in debt up to our eyeballs. Many of us are barely eking by.
     
  10. Milan
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    So, you would just nuke them. Wouldn’t your (Christian) conscience be a bit bothered by indiscriminate mass killing ? Would you consider such an act a good demonstration of superior Christian ethic that you are so proud of?

    Nuking would certainly clearly show to everyone, once end for all how splendid our civilization is, in its pursuit of freedom, democracy and human rights. :rolleyes:

    Well, we can wringle with all kinds of creative Orwelian speak, we might even get away with it for our domestic consumption. Those on the receiving end of our “defense” are much more interested in our actions then our terminology.

    Yes. He was extremely unpopular in the EU.
     
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    gunship Senior Member

    hint?
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Hoy, no. Mañana, Sí.
     
  13. gunship
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    gunship Senior Member

    cannot stress that enough. he basically started this anti-american trend.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    No problem. Just don't knock our towers down and there will be nothing to fear. We are a peaceful people who hate war, but we will not lay down and let you roll over us. Next time Europe catches on fire we may just stay home.
     

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    i belive not, since NATO icorporates many european countries. an alliance is a mutual agreement. of course you can betray the alliance, but that is usually not preferable.
     
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