Europe more dangerouse than USA? (gunshots vs terror threat)

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  1. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Screw international law. Might makes right.
     
  2. wardd
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    you tell em

    now go stomp on someone, it will make you feel gud
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Obviously it was inhabited by Canaanites. They should lobby now.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    You are the Jew hater, not me. You do the stomping in your jack boots while you shout Seig Heil!
     
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    hoy. i don't even hate you

    you're too amusing to hate

    and nobody hates jews more than evangelical christians, after all they believe the jews are going to hell
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Lots of people we don't hate are going to hell, even some of us. You have a flawed reasoning process that makes you think just because we don't see things the same way, that there is hate involved. We become angry when we are trod upon and we will resist, but that does not equal hate. We were angry at the Germans and the Japanese during WW2 but we lifted them back up and rebuilt their countries afterward, didn't we? Was that hate? I dare say no, it was not. We should have helped the Germans after WW1 and it might have prevented WW2 altogether.
     
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    Which makes for an interesting dilemma since (IIRC) Jews don't believe in Hell.
    I guess the winner will be the side with the strongest imaginary friend. ;)
     
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    you need to bone up on post ww2 history a bit

    me , it takes a lot to get me to hate, i don't want to give that power to anyone

    my emotions are mine to control
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Marshal Plan. Look it up.
     
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    morganthau plan, look it up
     
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    It is a complex problem, without simple, easy, instant solutions.

    Claims of territory on the basis of historical rights are rather mute - history is so long there, with so many changes over time, everyone can pick period that suits best his cause. Which group was there earlier? Was it 2 000, 1500, 1000, 500, 5 000 years ago is very interesting question for archeologists and historians, ( I like history), but doesn’t mean much for searching practical political solution for the present situation. (Greeks for an example could claim most of Mediterian and Black Sea coasts if history would be most important criteria for dividing territory).

    It would be much better if they concentrate on the present situation and find some kind of workable compromise for both sides. In the end, they have to find a way to live together or at least coexist peacefully as neighbors. And they have to negotiate solutions themselves. It can’t be done from a broad.

    As long as Israel is enjoying unconditional support of US it will be able to continue forceful politics, but it is not wise for them to continue to do so in the long run. One look at the map is enough to understand that.

    The best pacifier is higher standard of living. People who have a decent living, future for their children, are much less likely to take risks in violent actions. Those who don’t have anything to loose are dangerous.
     
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    I was watching morning joe and this guy on made a point, it's not islam that is against us in the middle east, it's the people

    any people in the area with a similar history with the west would behave similarly
     
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    If you live in your house and some one comes over knocks on the door and asks you to take half your house (or more), share the costs and share the benefits. You disagree at first sit down decide to compromise sort out a plan and try to exist in peace.

    Now should the guy beat you and forcefully take your house as his own and forces you to live according to his ideas and methods then it becomes a lot more difficult to reach peace and some sort of compromise that will satisfy both parties.
    One party will always feel abused and robbed no matter what the other party does (who believe its rightfully their land now and thus the other party are trespassers)

    This is a situation that will not be solved easily and there is no miracle cure, only long term hard work to route out generations of hate and violence with a clear cut honest humain compromise that tries to satisfy both parties involved as fair as possible. ( a task that is as difficult as it gets...)
     
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    Hmm i fail to see your point of view ......
     

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    it's not a religious issue, it's a political issue
     
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