Enjoy Survival in disaster

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by enjoysurvival, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. enjoysurvival
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    enjoysurvival Junior Member

    Hi,

    I am a newbee and browsed a lot of wonderful designs in the site.
    But , not yet found any titles about "enjoy survival" when disaster comes.
    Yes , very rare but it happens.

    I have designed for myself some "enjoy survival kits ,ESK" including mp3 with loud speaker , a very light weight computer with extra batteries , fishing rods , spear guns , solar charger , lots of alkanline and chargeable batteries , core-tex suit ,down ,sleeping bag , swim suit , 30 litres water and 10 kilos of delicious can food , a diy solar heater to boil water ...which could spend some weeks . ( of course ,most importantly , the GPS ad satellite phone ) All are placed in air-tight containers with ropes attaching the "primitive device" ( only available till november 07 ) to prevent from blow float away.


    I am very afraid of dying and when watching the surviver's video , all are badly prepared or some may just have biscuits and several litres of water. I just don't know Why?

    I am not millionaire but the money spent for the survival device is definitely not proportional to my boat. I have to design myself a double air-tight plastic containers but do not know how to guranteed the "ESK" MUST come with my life raft when some extreme cases happen.

    I would like to request you fabulous designers or sea players to invent some
    "enjoy survival device" instead of several thousand dollars primitive 'life rafts"

    I consider that it is a part of the boat design. This new design must be reliable to face 97% of disastrous cases. I always afraid that my "enjoy survival kits" would sink with the boat or no time to released them. ( I read the article that a family attacked by an orca had only one minute to escape.)

    If ..... here is not the forum to discusss..... sorry , but in my mind , "enjoying survival at sea is one of the program acrossing the Atlantic.


    "Behold , the sea itself , and on it's limitless .............
     
  2. Kay9
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    Kay9 1600T Master

    I cant tell, are you serious?
    Replace the 30 kilos of water with a desalinator hand pump. There just saved you 300 lbs. You can drop that solar water heater as well. Your not going to use it in a survival situation. 10 Kilos of food would be nice but you can go a long time without food, so I would drop that a bit and take a second desalinator. Take your GPS, EPIRB and SAT Phone. Add some blankets, fishing gear and take it to the people that pack your life raft. They will gladly add in your extra supplies.

    As far as enjoying all of this goes. I dont think there is any way you could ever enjoy losing your boat/home.
     
  3. enjoysurvival
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    enjoysurvival Junior Member

    Hi, Kay9

    My main point is to design a device which prevents from any event of losing supplies.

    In the orca attack family case , they have only one minute to escape and only a raft and limited food taken.

    GPS, EPIRB and SAT Phone would already good enough to guranteed to be found and saved in a few days if weather allows.

    Hand held Desalinator is of course sufficient and it is a schedule of daily survival program.

    My air-tight container could flow beside the raft and not need to move in. But you are right, too heavy.

    I have never been in the raft. Just afraid.
     
  4. westlawn5554X
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    Interesting subject as I love survival design as a hobby...

    Try softex or tampon wings as bandage its cheaper easy carry and purchase almost everywhere in the world, anti-bacteri and sponge out bad blood and stay free... before its ever expire your cousin already snatch it from you as a test sample.

    I mean a lot of stuff from common stuff can be use for survival as for me... I my survival boat is far too big...:)
     
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  5. Kay9
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    Kay9 1600T Master

    Intresting idea on the tampons. Im about to have 2 rafts repacked I think I will add some. Thanks.
     
  6. longliner45
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    interesting subject ,,you can go 3 or 4 days without water ,,if you are asian ,,2 days without food if you are western about 25,,,my own philosophy is learn to hunt ,,fish and find water,keep your reservse to buy time ,,this is a matter I have some expieriance of,I spent 4 years in US army 7th sf,,10 yrs on commercial fishing boats,,raised on a farm in ohio,,learn now what creatures and plants are edible in your regine,,,,this businiss of running to the hills if something happens is well,, bull crap,most will starve ,,you must learn to protect yourself from the elements,,,and dont forget your weapons,,,,,,or the skill of making your own weapons ,,the first aid stuff posted before is good to know also ,,,,but the bottom line is ,,no kit ,homemade or store bought will save you ,,you gotta save yourself ,,,longliner
     
  7. enjoysurvival
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    enjoysurvival Junior Member

    enjoy survival

    Hi, Longliner ,

    Totally agree with you to learn survival techniques and I recommend that every sea player has to attend training course. I made myself arrow and bow from primitive material, design axe blade and super lightweight survival kits.
    ( I am designing a hand held light weight portable fish spear gun instead of the long ones available in market )

    You must have read about the Steve Collahan case. At sea is totally different from land. You could made nothing from sea , or you could catch a fish by hand and use the bones to make a hook , using your threads of clothing or shoes lace as fish line .
    There are a lot of simple survival kits available and good enough for survival.

    My point is...... why so bad ? Steve Collahan also brougt spear gun that helped him to survive ( but worsely spear a hole to the raft ) .

    I will pack the sony computer into the ESK and recalculate the total loading.
    The givens raft should handle extra weight.
     
  8. westlawn5554X
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    Err... I used to be a golden arrow ranked scout..... non militar of course.

    I prefer scout techque then militar version.
     
  9. MikeJohns
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    An important item in your grab bag is a hand-held VHF radio then you can call in most vessels that you observe. With a small hand compass you can give a vessel or SAR aircraft a bearing.
    A strobe light is superior to anything else at night.
     
  10. Kay9
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    Kay9 1600T Master

    I also carry a plastic sextant in my kit along with the HO tables in nimature so I can at least do an LOP off the sun.
     
  11. gww25
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    gww25 Junior Member

    Don't know if it's still available but an old of mine set himself and a partner adrift in a raft from San Francisco and ended up in Hawaii. Try a search for George Sigler and Charles Gore. I can't remember the name of the book but he ran Safety and Survival designs out of Alameda for several years. They bring up some very interesting points in their experience that we normally don't think about like self-winding watches that don't wind since after a few days your not moving anymore. Also some good first hand experiences with various life-rafts, most aren't fit to be used.

    "Experiment in Survival" Thanks guys.
     
  12. longliner45
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    longliner45 Senior Member

    while we are on the subject,,,,every boat should have an (epeirb ) nominclature ?all I know is it calls the coastys and tell them your exact geogrphical location. and life boat / all the other things are in relation to where you sail or boat,,if you are going into a bay or lake ,,you need a raft ,,if you are going offshore ,you need a raft ,,a few gallons of water ,and some food,,and all this can be very ,,Inexpensive,,you can make your own raft for less than 100 us,,and thats in USA,,if you live in a different economy ,probably cheaper. one should have at least 2 vhf radios ,,,never fails,one will give in a situation, ,,gps or loran ,,need 2 of em,,,,and oh yea ,,take a marker and lable the cans of food so you dont have to eat mystery meals( been there done that)thare is a miriad of things o consider ,but a good captain will do his best to protect his crew,,and for those of you who just gotta go to the cold places ,,thermo gear,,,,,with that said ,do your home work ,,in the gulf of mexico ,,(conciderd subtropic) in april or may you have 6 minuets before hypo thermia sets in,,,if you go overboard...remember currents from cold places,,ext ext.I cant jam it all into one thread ,,,,be vigalant.......longliner
     
  13. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    Loran? Does that still exist?
     
  14. longliner45
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    longliner45 Senior Member

    danish ,,Im just an old man ,,,,,,,,,but I think it does still,,longliner
     

  15. Kay9
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    No LORAN is gone. Its EPIRB Emergancy Position Indicating Radio Beacon. Some things to know about EPIRB. 2 Sats listen for it. It takes each sat approx 4-6 hours to make one orbit. If your EPIRB is not equiped with optional GPS the sats will need at least 3-4 passes over the top of you to pin point your position. Each EPIRB MUST be registered to the CURRENT owner. If it is not and it gose off it will likely be ignored.
     
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