Engine for Antarctica

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  1. JosephT
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    Good for beer and preserving small/micro marine biology samples! We used electric coolers in the Southern Ocean. They worked very well and were BIG and roomy. Just strap them to a bulkhead so they don't bounce around and you're all set.
     
  2. Letsgosailing
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    I hope you don't them muddled and end cracking open a live one. What sort of things were you collecting?

    I don't think a fridge is going to be on the priority list for us in the high latitudes. We may regret that decision en route south eventually but we'll struggle through.
     
  3. JamesG123
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    Well, if you intend to fund it via YouTube ads and Patrion pan-handling, seeing how long a pretty girl can wear a bikini in sub-zero temperatures is probably your best bet.
     
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  4. Letsgosailing
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    You might be on to something there, I'm not sure how long people would tolerate a bunch of guys arguing over alternative propulsion concepts without some side story with a bikini clad woman getting the perfect tan. I wonder what she would think on the matter.
     
  5. JamesG123
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    She wouldn't if the money is good.
     
  6. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I've just came across such system in the Dutch sales ads...

    ‘‘ Zeilklaar voor zowel zomer als wintertochten door Dickinson kachel en geïntegreerde kielkoeling. ’’
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    ‘‘ Sail ready for both summer and winter trips by Dickinson stove and integrated keel cooling. ’’

    1974 built steel Koopmans design 9 × 3.05 × 1.52 m (note it speaks about ‘‘winter trips’’ and not about high latitudes)

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  7. JamesG123
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    Or today heatpipes have gotten cheap enough and commoditized enough to be an economical choice. Very compact and zero maintenance.
     
  8. Blueknarr
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    last month I did post grounding repairs on a glass 18 ft jet boat. The hull was recessed so heat exchangers didn't interrupt water flow. The rock penetrated the hull in three places but only dented one of the coolers. Many frustrating hours spent trying to work a cutting wire thru the goop gluing it to the hull
     
  9. Letsgosailing
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    DO you know what adhesive was used? Was it just coincidence the damage was superficial or was it that the coolers were just stronger than the rest of the hull.

    That sorts the loss of engine warming the cabins then. Have a stove installed then the engine could be moved outside.

    Could it be worth converting an outboard to be keel or hull cooled? For the purpose of having a closed closed cooling system.
    I imagine it wouldn't be hard and you could move the pump inside for ease of servicing as well as fuel filters. Again, to me, the theory sounds like it has great benefits.
     
  10. Angélique
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    It looks like a true sailboat owned by true sailors, has Aries wind vane steering and such, so it's plausible they only run the engine while going in and out harbors and locks, and avoid lee shores as much as possible, or fight their way away from it, using the engine only in emergencies then. During not in use the engine and the cooling system could even freeze when not everything is filled with antifreeze coolant. Also you can't carry enough fuel on such a boat on long trips to run the engine a lot. So better have the stove for cabin heating.
     
  11. Letsgosailing
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    That's much like how we sail already (were a hardy bunch). Were quite used to avoiding the engine as much as possible already. Which is sort of reason for trying to forgo all the structural compromises you may need to make to fit one.

    I'm still in the mindset that we need the hulking great thing only for the ballast. Which even then could be replaced with extra stores and equipment...
     
  12. Angélique
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    Best check out Roger Taylor, he does high latitude sailing without an engine . . . .

    Yachting Monthly - Solo voyager Roger Taylor and his boat Mingming II - January 10, 2013


    The Making of Mingming II part 1 the other parts

    Yachting Monthly - Ocean-going yacht for under £ 6 K - January 17, 2014 - (US $)

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    Yachting Monthly - Ocean sailor finishes his new boat - February 26, 2014





    Yachting Monthly* had an interview with Roger about the purchase, rebuild and modifications of his ‘‘new’’ boat Mingming II.

    * March 2014 issue, page 3 and page 72 to 75.

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  13. Letsgosailing
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    I've been very interested in Roger Taylor's Ming Ming1 and 2 and some other Jester Challenge designs. In fact this project started with me intending to somewhat clone Ming Ming 2 but I would need to upscale it for more crew members and as such I feel we would need an engine as a matter for my crews safety. Also a bit of interior colour would be in order.

    But for certain I will be looking for past threads on his use of a lamp post as his mast and it's suitability to take a beating.
     
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  15. Letsgosailing
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    Oh, that's interesting in many ways. Thanks.
     
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