economical coastal cruiser

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  1. sandy daugherty
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    Now THAT is very interesting, Pierre! Can you point me toward more details about what a RO-RO can take, does it have to be self propelled, are there any RO-ROs with passenger accomodations, etc.?
     
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    Well I see that things have gotten back on track. I also recommend Capt. Tom's hull Graftonian.
     
  3. Pierre R
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    Sandy an RO-RO boat is an auto transport boat meaning Roll on Roll off. I first learned about them when I sold a 31' Airstream trailer on e-bay and it was bought by an outfit in France. He paid me $1000 to transport the Airstream to the docks in NJ. That is when I found out that it only cost him $2,500 to transport that thing across the pond and it arrived in two weeks.

    I found out that there are boat shipping companies that specialize in boat transport aboard RO-RO's, Most of the boat is for cars but the top decks and aft decks take larger vehicles. I was told that you only need a cradle or in the case of something like a box keel, no cradle at all. They just lift the boat out of the water and set her on deck and lash it down. You need to buy insurance and there cannot be any appreciable fuel or water aboard when shipped. I checked on my little boat of 26' with a beam of 9' and a height of 12' on the trailer and the price from Baltimore to Denmark was about $6,500. Not bad if I want my boat in Europe for a spin. Just show up at the dock with the boat on a trailer and see it again in Denmark. Fk the passenger stuff a 767 is my game.

    I checked on a boat of around 40' with a beam of 12' and a height of 11' and a weight of 16,000 lbs. The price without them supplying a cradle was around $10,000. No way you can even afford the right safety gear for that.

    I have no idea for transport to the South Pacific but to Asia it should be similar. With a 12' beam max and height of 12' or so, road transport is also reasonable coast to coast.
     
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    Andreyale (latitude 46) is one on the very rare livin well in the light narrow market.

    They have taken the retro look and ultra luxury path and target mega yacht tender. Boats are very very very expensive. Over 500 000€ (650 000$) for the 40. But all in bronze, teck or bevelled windows.
    Note also that the power is listed at 2*75 hp, but boats on sale have more than often 2*175 to 2*220.

    They do not target economical, but the ones with enough money who wants a different boat than the remainder of boating crowd. Side note, they unfrequently accept to go slower than that crowd.

    Naval architects Joubert Nivelt have a full range of same kind boats. From andreyale 33 , 40 , 50, CNB classic cruisers in the 60-85 ft range, and Ocea in the 100-120 range.

    PS: Refreshing varnishes and paints was a several months project for a team of 8 for an Andreyale 50.
     
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    "I believe the cutoff is a height of 14' and a width of 12' Per square foot the costs of a RO-RO boat are much closer to container pricing than to yacht transport."

    The hassle with RO RO is you need to have a trailer , and both store it and then transport it to the next departure location.

    Unload in Antwerp and reload in the Med , unload in NZ reload in Australia extra expense for sure.

    Empty boxes are everywhere.

    FF
     
  9. Pierre R
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    Fast Fred when I checked into RO-RO they would also deck ship with a cradle and the expense was no different.

    I would think a container would be great if you are going to ship all over the world often but most will not ship that often.
     
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    "Fast Fred when I checked into RO-RO they would also deck ship with a cradle and the expense was no different."

    That either requires the ship to create the cradle , or you have a cradle stored and shipped to the next departure point.

    The box keel boat can sit on its own bottom , so if the shipper was willing to install (usually just welded to the deck ) slide stoppers and chain her down there would be the possibility of NOT using a Ro Ro , and simply making a side deal with any ships captain. Could go on a far smaller vessel to smaller ports.

    If the ship could use built in hard points and your cables at only a few tons any cargo boom could lift her and sit her on the deck.

    A launch before docking might allow the boat to enter as a cruising boat , with less paperwork and hassles?Traveling with the boat might insure less thievery , and be an interesting part of the journey.

    Building in lifting eyes on a newbuild should not present a hassle.

    This would also allow the beam to come to ROAD limits instead of "box" limits.

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  11. sandy daugherty
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    So the second challenge would be to design a cradle that could be broken down and stored, to be shipped to where-ever you go, re-assembled and used to ro-ro your way to someplace else.
     
  12. sandy daugherty
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    I've just had a vision of a transformer robot-thingie that floats under the boat in the water, serves as a wheeled lifting cradle then folds back up into a pallet sized wad to hide in any warehouse until needed. All galvanized steel and inflateable bags. Complete with toolbox and GPS tracking device. And a tea-cozy.
     
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    Just a followup, I took the boat out of the shed and rigged it with my 40 hp. I still have some additional paint work to do and install the windows. But this gives some perspective of the weight and ability to trailer on the road without breaking the bank on fancy trailers. While this trailer is a bit marginal in length, which is one that I use as a spare and my fishing skiff sits on it, a few minor tweaks would make it road ready for sure.
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  14. harry tams
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    Very pretty boat... and just about ready for your summer!
     

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    Well done Oyster, well done.
     
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