Diesel Electric Conversions - Are Systems Available

Discussion in 'Hybrid' started by Barron, Sep 25, 2009.

  1. Barron
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    Barron Junior Member

    I guess you set me straight. HA, Thanks for your input
     
  2. baeckmo
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    baeckmo Hydrodynamics

    Yes, I have some experience with diesel-electric and gasturbine-electric power transmission in the one- to ten MW range from the power industry. And my questions are relevant, since you have altered the technical information along the trip; as Apex noted, some specs are still dubious. If you want qualified help, you must be prepared to supply reliable and realistic info and not get upset when asked!

    Propulsion systems cannot be selected on the basis of "I fancy this or that technology". You have to make a decent assessment of the vessel's duty cycle over an operational season (in a commercial environment: over the life span of the equipment). If you find that you are spending the majority of running hours manoeuvering and loitering at low speed, with some high thrust tugging, plus short bursts of top speed, at the same time as your guests are consuming 700 plus kW of electricity, then you might check a hybrid system. But before that, check your bank account, and be carefully seated..... .

    For the rest...just lean onto Apex1, he showed you the light, I hope (and apply some scepsis to salesmen's talking).
     
  3. Barron
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    Barron Junior Member

    I am happy you have this experience and I do believe your your questions to be relevant. However none of the technical information as you call it has been altered, it came directly from the blueprint sir. Lastly I am not was not upset, takes much much more than a few people and their interesting way of explaining things, but perhaps you guys could work a little bit on your approach when someone is asking for help or a question ? Just my thought on how to talk with people.
     
  4. apex1

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    Hmm,
    cannot see where we have to change our behaviour!? Who was unpolite and when?
    Richard
     
  5. Barron
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    Barron Junior Member

    I don't have time to go through the process again, but all I was doing was asking if these systems were available and you guys acted like I had "said" something wrong in my question. However its neither here nor there at this point. Also I appreciate your concern with my bank account but its very healthy thank you. Now that my simple question has been answered I will go away.
     
  6. apex1

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    Well, to bring it to the point, we have had our doubts about the data given (and still have), these figures I assume have´nt been "yours" so why are you upset?
    And you know why I had concerns about your account? The wealthy amongst us are not at least wealthy due to being very keen in efficient propulsion for their toys. And I thought you might be as well.

    Richard
     
  7. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Well, to bring it to the point, we have had our doubts about the data given (and still have), these figures I assume have´nt been "yours" so why are you upset?
    And you know why I had concerns about your account? The wealthy amongst us are not at least wealthy due to being very keen in efficient propulsion for their toys. And I thought you might be as well.

    Richard
     
  8. Barron
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    Barron Junior Member

    Understood regarding the data and it was incorrect Like I said, I am not upset and with that out of the way, I was simply asking if this was available for boats of this size not that I wanted to put it on my boats. But like I said I honestly appreciate the input you 2 gentlemen have offered me. It tells me alot about the subject and yourselves.

    Thank You
     
  9. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    OSSAPOWERLITE Is going up to 800Kw with 98% efficency for the motor itself

    Voith turbo in germany do it too with nice pancake motors, carbone VP blades


    APEX1 loves 20 century's world :) , but sorry, this is the one we are in :

    http://www.ill.eu/nc/top-links/news...oles-70-years-from-prediction-to-observation/
    This just means that the Maxwell equation on magnetism are false, so ...the way we make electric motors and controllers.
    A lot of changes are coming for E. Motors

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine
    This is one more over-unitary effect of mater.
    The question of energy source is also going to be very different from what the most of us beleive today.


    The more you get educated about the real state of art of today's quantum physics, the sooner new products will come because you will be abble to ask for them and let the 20th century to the past.

    Good search !

    Apex, please, can you give me -10 more "rep" for this answer ?
    Regards
     
  10. mark775

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    And Siemens did some Washington ferry/dock-crashers and some Taiwan trawler/yachts. The beginning of the joke at the Taiwan yard was "How many German engineers does it take to carry enough extension cord to keep these things running?"
    Let's just say there might be some bugs yet to be worked out... The Ossa Powerlight is kinda cool but the efficiency numbers just don't get there. I bought into their forward-looking statements and even went so far as to inquire to buy. The motor didn't actually exist! The costs were astronomical for what they did have and the proclaimed efficiency was with weighted-in-their-favor parameters.
    The Voith thing doesn't apply and cannot compete on efficiency. The academic monopole studies have nothing to do with this - I believe what you may be interested in is a Halbach array.
    imges.jpg

    The Z-machine has nothing to do with this.
    Why do you portend to know anything about Maxwell? Because you read something that indicated under certain circumstances, in a laboratory, rules may be bent?
     
  11. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    Most of our classic science formulas are partially false, unless you introduce a quantum behaviour. Nothing to bend, it is already bent...like a vortex !

    Maxwell equation is one major basis of actual electric motors.
    Maxwell is prooved to be false unless you use quantum electron behaviour.
    This is one more proof that alternative electric motors are possible.

    MHD (Z machine) gave one more proof that the access to the zero point energy is possible.
    (i love this one especially because it is an 'accidental information' coming from military research for pure fusion bomb)
     
  12. apex1

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    The lunatic is back!.................

    Was a pleasure to follow your request Kristine.:cool:
     
  13. kistinie
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    kistinie Hybrid corsair

    Lunatic ? You mean constant i guess.
    But once again, i am not the subject. Hybrid is.

    Generators and motors, unless they are PM and advanced designed will be average electric conversion.

    Electric motors/generators have to become much smarter to be a good solution for any kind of transport.

    Until this moment, PMBL motors and generators are already available and give a good alternative for light sailing boats like multihulls and racer.

    On the next VENDEE GLOBE race, you will count with one hand boats with ICE aboard. No ice geny, no ice propulsion, all electric.

    PS: Thanks for the -31 Rep !
    Next target - 100 !
     
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  14. CDK
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    CDK retired engineer

    -31 Rep. points means that your presence on this forum is not appreciated by the majority of forum members.
    Why don't you shift your attention to a more friendly environment, where your in-depth scientific knowledge will be greeted with enthusiasm, like startrek.conforums.com/
     

  15. M-Sasha

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    A sound advise CDK!

    Sasha
     
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