Dealing with pirates

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by dave L, Nov 22, 2004.

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  1. hoytedow
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    Grease the rails with habanero pepper juice. When that gets in their eyes they will become less able.
     
  2. Boston

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    good plan
    I need to buy stock in pepper spray
     
  3. technik
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    Part 2...ur..3........or....um..4?

    The rpg-7 a deadly,unguided,high explosive,shoulder launched rocket.the thing that jumps out at me about this weapon is that every image I've ever seen of it in an actual combat zone has it fitted with the standard shaped charge anti-tank warhead.This warhead was specifically designed to burn(using a jet of super-heated copper) nice neat holes through WW-2 tank armor and of course kill everything inside(I think this caused by all the super high velocity metal particles and massive pressure wave in the confined internal space of a tank).Point being this warhead projects its energy foward in a very narrow area,let's hope no one sells them the anti-personelle warhead with 7m frag kill radius.Having said the above if i were the capt. Of a large vessel I would be very afraidof the standard rpg,it can punch right through the hull and kill,destroy anything on the other side.
    The not as bad news.rpg has a 2m backblast and these guys sit very low to the water so I bet they're angled up slightly when fired so if I were them in a small outboard powered boat with 2 or3 others and wanted to fire foward I would stand up. Which brings me to hit probability US Army trials showed hit probability for 5m high 2.5m wide target of:
    100%-50m range
    96%-100m
    51%-200m
    22%-300m
    9%-400m
    4%-500m
    Self detonates at ~1,000m
    Remember this is the US Army on land!
    One of the points that I think is important is that I doubt these guys have 4 or 5 rpg rounds or even multiple loaded mags for their ak's(this may not remain the case if ships stop rolling over).
    Before I get into real defensive options I would like you guys with relevant experience to talk about effective detection and tracking ranges for these types of boats using standard marine radar also how easy is it to get accurate(+-25-50m) range data?
     
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    Btw you can order nearly pure capsicum extract as a food additive, make your own 30% spray or 95%?
     
  5. Boston

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  6. dskira

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    This is a pilot boarding, and he is not at the waterline. then he has the freeboard to climb. But he is not in a strong position to do anything but climbing. And this man is highly trained to climb on any weather and any ship.
    If he was a pirate with guns and without proper training, I think he will be an easy target.

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Boston

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    assuming the crew is armed

    which unfortunately most are not

    seems like the crux of the problem is not that its hard to hit these fools but that there is nothing effective available to hit them with

    B
     
  8. TollyWally
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    Bingo and it's night time, only a couple of guys active. The pirates are on board before the crew know's they have been boarded.
     
  9. technik
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    I wouldn't worry about the guy climbing up(duck down behind the rail ,when you see his hand stand up and hit him in the head with a bat,pipe,stick,etc.) Or you could just cut the rope. Of course his buddies(the ones directly below him with rpg and ak) might not appreciate such inpolite behavior (come on he just wants to borrow a cup of sugar :( ). In my opinion they should never get this far. I bet the russians someone spoke of earlier wouldn't let them.
     
  10. Frosty

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    I am with Diskira on this. You guys are not thinking about this right. You come up behind a ship in the prop wake at sea, can you imagine the wash? then you throw a heavy grappling hook up and over a hand rail 40 feet straight up.

    Apparantly even though the ships know they are in risky territory they cant spare just one man to shout --HELP THERES A PIRATE!!!

    There is a lot of imformation on the web (Google it) where old age pensioners on cruise ships threw deck chairs at illegal borders and successfully fended them off.

    Some thing wrong with this pirate thing. I too think there is something going on,-- Insurance claims, selling thier own cargo --I dunno.
     
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    It is kind of funny that it seems to be so easy to find out the exact amount paid. Imagine being the ceo of one of these company why wound you want to openly discuss
    1. That one of your multi-million dollar vessels not to mention who knows how much customer property is under the control of "pirates".
    2.The amount paid in ransom so next time they can ask for +20m

    Also I would say the amount they're paying is suspicous. If the pirates say 80m but the press release says 180m what's the insurance gonna pay. Do the "skinnies" read the press release, would they care, that's an F-load of money.
     
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    It is kind of funny that it seems to be so easy to find out the exact amount paid. Imagine being the ceo of one of these company why wound you want to openly discuss
    1. That one of your multi-million dollar vessels not to mention who knows how much customer property is under the control of "pirates".
    2.The amount paid in ransom so next time they can ask for +20m

    Also I would say the amount they're paying is suspicous. If the pirates say 80m but the press release says 180m what's the insurance gonna pay. Do the "skinnies" read the press release, would they care, that's an F-load of money.
     
  14. technik
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    sorry about the double post.

    I know for a fact that companys and corps. in the US always preach "roll over and play dead" when confronted with violence.

    WHY???

    LIABILITY.

    If they tell you to protect yourself,coworkers,company property and you get killed,mamed,injured they are liable.
     
  15. Frosty

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    If its a Brit reg ship get the Royal Navy to sail in there guns blazing if necessary take the ship and sail it out.

    Tell them this is what will happen next time. Bit of offshore training for the lads as well. Its not like your fighting an Army and they have to fight,-- they can walk away if they want, if they want to stay and fight they will get hurt,- up to them. Thats fair enough isnt it?

    Better than shooting duds out into the Solent all day. Its gotten to the point that the PM dare not send or post abroad his military or Mothers complain, hes just a boy,---hey what did he joint the fking army for --go skiing in the Alps and diving in the Med?

    Margaret Thacher where are you?

    Errrr whats the Navy for then? Royal marines training every day--for what? We are just too civil these days,-- until all countries are civil then we can not treat uncivil with civil.

    How can money freely be transfered to this country. It would seem an easy matter to stop transfer to an unknown third party,--- Geeez I cant.

    I have to fil out a **** load of forms to open an account offshore,---- and to transfer to a third party --forget it. If the bank wont pay what happens next,--nothing.

    Na na something is wrong here, the whole world has become corrupt like tomorrow was the last day, while the rest of the world is taxed to pay for it.

    Im Ok ille just have a cup of tea and a lie down --ille be alright in a minute.
     
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