Dealing with pirates

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by dave L, Nov 22, 2004.

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  1. ScottK
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    Verytricky,

    To make things very easy to understand I only want to know what an ordinary boat builder would use for a steel hull. I can figure out what the ballistics of bullets can do myself. And I do understand that there are armor piercing rounds.

    How about wording it like; if a person built a sailing yacht for a cruise around the world, and it was 30' long and built out of steel, what would the estimated thickness of the steel be? And if it was instead built 40' long how thick would it then be? And if 50' long how thick would it then be. And if 60' long how thick would it then be?

    Your right Verytricky, I'll just go and post it elsewhere being that I cannot make the question any more simplified without going into every detail. I figured I would run into this problem in the start, but yet figured it would be of interest to this thread being that it wasn't discussed as of yet.

    Scott
     
  2. capt vimes
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    verytricky:

    i remember reading an article recently dealing with this pirate business of somalia...
    there are actual investors sitting in europe or any other western country and making a hell of a profit... giving the local fishermen some small money to buy fast boats and guns - geting 100 times more back from the ransom...
    it has become a freaking business driven by OUR greed... :( :rolleyes:
     
  3. ScottK
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    Greed

    It's only a matter of time then until it starts happening in North American waters.
     
  4. Verytricky
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    Now that sort of question will probably get a definate answer. Probably not in the Piracy thread, but cut and paste into one of the yacht building threads, and you'll get several answers on it for sure!



    Which should be sorted out by criminal investigation and procecution. Also I believe that the actual payment of the ransoms is what drives the whole issue. No pay, no piracy - no one to make money from it. I also advocate the use of deadly force to make this problem less of an issue. In the Second World War, the UK armed innocent looking merchant vessels and sailed them around the shipping lanes, These were spotted by UBOATS which would not waste a torpeedo on such a small unarmed vessle, but would surface to sink it with cannon. Then the innocent looking merchant ship would sudenly reveal itself as a fully armed ship and sink the UBOAT. I would like to see something like that established and would activley participate if it was possible!



    And then again, probably not. ;) If I feel offended because the Spanish fishing fleet is funded by EU money and the British fishing fleet is screwed over by the same EU, and then the Spanish come and overfish in British waters I do not have the right to shoot the spanish no matter how much I think I should be able to. Piracy is simple terrorism with a commercial undertone, rather that a political one. It is wrong and can not be justified.



    I spent 18 years in South Africa, including an obligatory 2 years running around in Angola shooting people. So I think I have a fair idea about africa, the mentality and the emotions of the place.



    I will definately be at the FOOTIE! No question about it at all! I already have the tickets booked and the flights organised. Now all I have to do is wait for England to be spanked by the Argentinians or Germans, and then go home.:(
     
  5. capt vimes
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    i know that story of WWII...
    you also know which it ultimately led to?
    uboats did no longer surface but starting 'wasting' torpedos on any vessel the Kaleun (captain) thought of as a military ship and therefore being a threat...
    sinking some unarmed civilian vessels in the process as well... :rolleyes:
     
  6. yellow cat
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    Kevlar is one option for bullet proof. It is expensive but it seems to do the job.
     
  7. Fanie
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    Verytricky, I hope things are as you left it when you left here ;)
     
  8. Fanie
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    ScottK,

    Why do you want to bullet proof your boat ? There will always be a bullet or granade or mortar that will bring you down. By the time you have bullet proofing in your boat the pirates will have an air force to bomb you with.

    Not worth it. Forget about it and instead enjoy your water sport.

    Oh, and stop smuggeling drugs. Only smugglers does these radical things :D
     
  9. chandler
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    14 to 20 layers of glass?

    You might as well join the navy for 4 years because your pay might cover the cost of the epoxy and glass for 14 to 20 layers. Consider kevlar instead of glass but you'd still have to do the 4 years in the navy.
    Better yet stay the f##k out of those areas, there's not much to see except starving people that need to be pirates to make a living.
     
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    No it does´nt!
     
  11. Fanie
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    People who steal and rob are usually just too lazy to work for a living. If this wasn't true no one would take the easy way out and every one will work.

    Richard is right, very few materials are capable of effectively stopping bullets, and kevlar is not one of them. Getting shot in a bullet proof vest is not a joke. It's like someone hitting you with a baseball bat but without the vest.

    Moral of the story, be on the right side of the bullet :D The rear
     
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    Or out of range by an ocean's width from where the bullets are being fired...
     
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    masalai masalai

    Don't be such a pessimist.... range is relative to net value of target... Don't look like a highly prized electronics warehouse and armoury, Do not fly boldly the biggest USA flag you can find - go quietly, in peace and very politely seek permission from the locals, as well as bearing traditional gifts that are appropriate, not overdone... be appreciative of their hospitality, but do not become overbearing or gushy... get to know the customs and social mores and some of the local language, before making an embarrassment of yourself... This is in part what I have learned over time...
     
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    masalai masalai

    be always alert and prepared to DUCK - - - there are lots of angry people on the distant shores... at least show the local flag more prominently and not smaller as custom demands...
     

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