Dealing with pirates

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  1. mydauphin
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    Got a mythbuster idea. If I dump gallon of gas overboard from my transom and ignite it. Can I out run the flame and cause the pirates to catch on fire like a James Bond movie....

    Or should I connect my 400 amp alternator and electrocute them when they come onboard, they will shurely be wet and not have rubber shoes...
  2. brian eiland
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    Another 'Negotiation' round for the Pirates

    ..from another forum

    Another negotiation round for the Pirates, and that’s without any representation at the table.
    Go figure.:rolleyes:
    Tue May 19, 8:03 am ET

    Anti-piracy body backs off on international maritime force

    KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) – An international piracy conference on Tuesday backed off tough proposals calling for an international naval taskforce to be set up under U.N. auspices to fight Somali pirates after members disagreed over implementation.

    The measure was aimed at fighting a sharp rise in piracy, with Somali pirates mounting 81 attacks between January 1 and April 20, according to United Nations data. The attacks threaten trade routes and aid supplies and push up insurance costs at a time when most of the global economy is in recession.

    The initial resolution from more than 60 countries and the European Union was watered down after a two-day conference in the Malaysian capital that brought together governments, navies and shipping bodies.

    "The United Nations is invited to consider further the possibility of taking joint measures through the contact group on piracy off the coast of Somalia and its working groups to coordinate maritime force operations to suppress acts of piracy and armed robbery against ships off the coast of Somalia," the final statement said.

    That was far weaker than a draft statement, seen by Reuters, that called for the United Nations to consider "the establishment of an international maritime force to suppress acts of piracy and armed robbery against ships off the coast of Somalia."

    A senior maritime official who attended the conference said: "Asking for the formation of an international maritime force has legal and political ramifications."
    "We are going forward too fast," the official told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

    Differences over laws concerning the arrest of pirates, some of whom work to order at the behest of criminal gangs outside Somalia, have bedeviled operations in the Gulf of Aden and more force was needed, naval officials said.

    European Union human rights laws, which guarantee all people including pirates respect for their basic rights, are a particular problem, said Geoffrey Till, Professor of Maritime Studies at King's College in London.
    Kenya, which neighbors Somalia, last year agreed to prosecute pirates on behalf of countries that are unable to do so themselves. Till said it had prosecuted 60 pirates since then.
  3. Landlubber
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    Typical UN, just a bunch of gutless socialist ******** and Fagans. What would you expect from them. They stand by in countries that are unable to defend themselves and watch them die, so why not help pirates, one of a clan.
  4. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    What pisses me really off is why the pirate's human rights are respected. They respect no one else's human f rights.

    It's 03h50 in the morning and I haven't shut an eye. Some illiterate dumb f pirate was in my yard again to see what he can take.

    How about my human f rights for a change. I'm writing an exam tonight :(

    I can understand fully why the farmers hit some people on the head or throw them to the lions. These fckers are too lazy and useless to contribute in any way positive to society or the environment, but when they can commit a crime they are f brilliant.

    The crime here hasn't stopped, despite a lot of promisses made by zooooma. Another farm murder recently. What about their human f rights. Last I heard it was over 2000 white farmers murdered, the rest of the world stands oblivious to all of this.

    We have become so callous to so called assistent organizations that when they do rock up here I think I can look them in the eye and tell them fcuk off.

    I can't wait to see what's going to happen to the 2010 soccer here. You must all please come.

    Human f right my f ***.
  5. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Fanie, anyone would be thinking you are very upset.... - probably fully justified, but, well you know....between the rent-a-crowd-psudo-do-gooders and effeminate-UN-*******, all we can do is laugh nervously lest they lock us up too, and leave the poor innocent thieves and murderers go free because they are perceived as victims.... **** all this so-called "political-correctness" ********.....
  6. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Yeah Masalai, me upset ??? Naaahhh !

    Anyway, sorry about the rant. I was seriously looking for someone to hurt this morning :D They do run away of course which only enhance the frustration :D

    My mother once suggested I get an axe and chop up some big trees to get rid of the frustration. If you know me I'll just get the big saw and hack the tree up in half an hour... then the troubles start again :D Kind of defeats the object, both ways :rolleyes:

    In the case of the pirates, as long as they enjoy 'protection', 'human rights', the right to this, the right to that, it is not going to stop.

    Tbh, I'm still looking for the down side, the discouragement in all this to be a pirate.

    No, risk is not one of them. It seems the rest of the boaters are the ones that has to be content with all the risks :(
  7. Brent Swain
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    Get a heavy bag and a double end bag and a set of bag gloves and do some boxing workouts. Picture the thieves faces on the bags. Great stress reliever, and usefull if you should ever come face to face with them. Do a few days in a boxing club to make sure you are practicing it right, and not forming bad habits.
  8. ScottK
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    ScottK Landlubber

    Bullet Proof Boats

    Hi all, not sure if I am posting in the right place but I am wondering how bullet proof can a boat be made. Are there any navel engineers here that could give a rough idea on how thick a person could build a steel hull for a sailing yacht that was made for circumnavigation? Say for lengths 30', 40' 50' and 60'?

    I see the 40' Arctic Wander has a 5/32 mild steel hull. And also see that the Ocean Master fiber glass boats claim to be bullet proof by using 14 to 20 layers of fiber glass. How many layers does a normal sailing yacht use?
  9. ScottK
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    Pirate Stock Exchage!!!

    From Reuters

    HARADHEERE, Somalia (Reuters) - In Somalia's main pirate lair of Haradheere, the sea gangs have set up a cooperative to fund their hijackings offshore, a sort of stock exchange meets criminal syndicate.

    Heavily armed pirates from the lawless Horn of Africa nation have terrorized shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean and strategic Gulf of Aden, which links Europe to Asia through the Red Sea.

    The gangs have made tens of millions of dollars from ransoms and a deployment by foreign navies in the area has only appeared to drive the attackers to hunt further from shore.

    It is a lucrative business that has drawn financiers from the Somali diaspora and other nations -- and now the gangs in Haradheere have set up an exchange to manage their investments.

    One wealthy former pirate named Mohammed took Reuters around the small facility and said it had proved to be an important way for the pirates to win support from the local community for their operations, despite the dangers involved.

    "Four months ago, during the monsoon rains, we decided to set up this stock exchange. We started with 15 'maritime companies' and now we are hosting 72. Ten of them have so far been successful at hijacking," Mohammed said.

    "The shares are open to all and everybody can take part, whether personally at sea or on land by providing cash, weapons or useful materials ... we've made piracy a community activity."

    Haradheere, 400 km (250 miles) northeast of Mogadishu, used to be a small fishing village. Now it is a bustling town where luxury 4x4 cars owned by the pirates and those who bankroll them create honking traffic jams along its pot-holed, dusty streets.

    Somalia's Western-backed government of President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed is pinned down battling hard-line Islamist rebels, and controls little more than a few streets of the capital.

    The administration has no influence in Haradheere -- where a senior local official said piracy paid for almost everything.

    "Piracy-related business has become the main profitable economic activity in our area and as locals we depend on their output," said Mohamed Adam, the town's deputy security officer.

    "The district gets a percentage of every ransom from ships that have been released, and that goes on public infrastructure, including our hospital and our public schools."


    In a drought-ravaged country that provides almost no employment opportunities for fit young men, many are been drawn to the allure of the riches they see being earned at sea.

    Abdirahman Ali was a secondary school student in Mogadishu until three months ago when his family fled the fighting there.

    Given the choice of moving with his parents to Lego, their ancestral home in Middle Shabelle where strict Islamist rebels have banned most entertainment including watching sport, or joining the pirates, he opted to head for Haradheere.

    Now he guards a Thai fishing boat held just offshore.

    "First I decided to leave the country and migrate, but then I remembered my late colleagues who died at sea while trying to migrate to Italy," he told Reuters. "So I chose this option, instead of dying in the desert or from mortars in Mogadishu."

    Haradheere's "stock exchange" is open 24 hours a day and serves as a bustling focal point for the town. As well as investors, sobbing wives and mothers often turn up there seeking news of male relatives missing in action.

    Every week, Mohammed said, gang members and equipment were lost to the sea. But he said the pirates were not deterred.

    "Ransoms have even increased in recent months from between $2-3 million to $4 million because of the increased number of shareholders and the risks," he said.

    "Let the anti-piracy navies continue their search for us. We have no worries because our motto for the job is 'do or die'."

    Piracy investor Sahra Ibrahim, a 22-year-old divorcee, was lined up with others waiting for her cut of a ransom pay-out after one of the gangs freed a Spanish tuna fishing vessel.

    "I am waiting for my share after I contributed a rocket-propelled grenade for the operation," she said, adding that she got the weapon from her ex-husband in alimony.

    "I am really happy and lucky. I have made $75,000 in only 38 days since I joined the 'company'."

    (Writing by Daniel Wallis; Editing by Jon Boyle)
  10. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    ScottK, Why bother, the added weight, reduction in performance will demand doubling the size - - simple answer, do your research and do not sail in those areas - - -

    Sheeesh, the idea of "going cruising" means carefree enjoyment of mucking around in your boat looking at new and different places... If you must go into pirate zones, join some military organisation and do it properly - - GO FIGHTING, that is...
  11. ScottK
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    Normal, not added weight

    Hi Masalai,

    I'm not interested in added weight, but just normal weight for a steel boat.

    Can you answer the question if I word it differently such as how thick is a steel hull for a sailing yacht that was made for circumnavigation? Say for lengths 30', 40' 50' and 60'?

    I have a feeling none of the Engineers dare to tread in this threads dangerous waters, and I will have to post elsewhere

    After reading all 1570 posts over the last week I think it would be no problem in getting a pirate killing pleasure cruise lined up! :p

    Pirate the Pirates Cruise Lines Inc.

  12. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Most pirates seem happy with AK47 / Kalashnokov and RPG launchers - no effective defence... go light and fast and easy to repair, then use due care... Weapons on boats are trouble in many regions... Some places confiscate them and may return when you return to that port to clear and depart - unless it was lost/stolen/sold in which case tuff... all entry ports demand reporting and inspection, finding hidden weapons can be disastrous...

    Piracy around Somalia was western greed induced, as the villagers used to survive by fishing, then the big commercials came in and cleaned the place out... What do these poor fisherfolk do now? easy when some smart criminal elements see an opportunity and nurture the hatred of the villagers for all things perceived to be "rich people" - - I just call it poetic justice... quid-pro-quo or any of a number of euphemisms for "**** my subsistence living, *******, payback time is here now" - - - everyone to them looks rich...
  13. capt vimes
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    thats nonsense...
    a military type assault rifle (AK47/74) with the appropriate full-metal-jacket ammo goes through 1 cm of tank-steel... depending on caliber (7.62 or 5.56) and distance probably even more...
    a typical steelboat in the mentioned length has a hull of 4-8 mm of mild steel...
    and even if you build your hull bulletproof - how are you going to prevent them from entering your boat?
    with a shotgun or some other rifle - against fully automatic assault rifles firing some 800 rounds a minute?
    good luck man.... :rolleyes:

    do not cruise in pirate infested waters - that is the only way to avoid troubles with them!
  14. Verytricky
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    I used to wonder if you were an idiot, thanks for clearing up any confusion that may have existed.

    SkottK -: You are not going to get the answers you want here, and I do not think many people actually understand your question, as you have formulated it in a confused and jumbled manner.

    Do you want to know what an ordinary boat builder would use on a boat, or do you want to know what you would need to stop any weapons a pirate may use on you if you are in their area?

    Essentially the first question is already answered, and the second question can not be answered.
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  15. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    You may think so, but just maybe Mas is right eh ! You UK chaps must really come right and first assess the truth when it comes to the situation and mentality of the african people. Your ideas of it is about as far out as day is of night, and you watch too many african propaganda movies. You are overly emotional about it.

    Why don't you come and watch the socca in SA ? Be a good introduction for you.

    I hear they are now selling anti stab jackets to you UK-ers to wear to the socca matches. Good figgin grief. I bet it's a souf afri can selling those to you there. You guys should get ear protection, not body armour.
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