Dead light snobery?

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  1. Landlubber
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    Landlubber Senior Member

    PAR,

    As a boatbuilder, I can only agree, essentially the best designers are on hands persons, it is when they try "new "things that we can tell the experienced designers from the newbys.

    Many a design has been created that cannot be built, we have to adjust the build to suit the condition, not the design.

    Sheer, one of the most important and least understood features of any craft.
     
  2. safewalrus
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    safewalrus Ancient Marriner

    the word 'stive' is often heard over this side of the pond PAR but tends to get pronounced 'steeve', don't know if that helps anyone?

    Interesting to note the first 'openings' in ships sides were actually 'gun ports' and they were most definately square (or rectangular) even in the Americas!!

    Also who amongst the 'designers' has actually cleaned or maintained anything onboard? the normal person you seen to design for is the 'standard Board of trade man' some three (3) feet tall with seventeen (17) feet long arms in order to get into these nooks and crannies [to be fair yacht designers DO tend to be a little better than pure ship designers as they quite often actually do use their designs- when they can get out of the design office long enough!!]
     
  3. clodgo
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    It would very convenient to be th be 3' tall but in my case 7' long arms might be more appropriate. Hmm, gun ports, I hadn't thought of that one yet...
     
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    Trouble is a cannon takes up so much room inside the boat!!
     
  5. Sean Herron
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    Please Send Lucky Charms

    Hello...

    I am of the English colonies and was born into the English model - historic - a wife even - (damn it all to hell) - she looks like Lynda Carter - so I put up with the MEN AH PAUSE - BRITISH economic philosophy - BRITISH class structure - but I don't hang plates on my walls...:)

    THANK GOD THE FRENCH LOST THE BLOODY WAR - except for Quebec - vive your ***...

    I hate their food and I don't wear wigs...

    Hell - the French lost a lot of wars and financed America so they would have a 'fall guy' for the history books...

    What is a deadlight - I am a poor Canadian looking for directions to the libuary...:)

    Can you help me please...

    F'in round portals - is that what the Froggies call them - snob would b two bees - but I am awash just now - I mite be rong...:)

    Here is my opinion - AHEM - do whatever the F'ck you want - don't second guess those **** *** - mother F'cker designer ******* - who got thru school on a 65 percentile - on daddies money - bunch of pukes - THIS IS YOUR LIFE MAN...

    Do what is good for you...

    Deadlights or 'round portals' are BRITISH - they found their way onto yachts from NAVY salvage - they did not evolve - they are the product of brilliant economy - as so many BRITISH things are - bronze sewer piping...

    But then I might just be full of ****...:p

    See - this is where things get weird and semantic - potato versus vernacular - AHAH - another good boat name - usually the biggest guy wins here - a deadlight to me is glass block set into the decking - or glass block set into sidewalks to light the service or machinery areas below - or in the case of say Seattle and San Fransisco - after the fires - the old bars and canteens...

    Aside from all that crap - you have to understand that style evolves around available material technology and more importantly around tooling and economics - at least during the very early parts of the European industrial 'revolution' - I prefer evolution - A worker has a hole saw on a brace drill - some bronze sewer pipe - a braze torch - a lap driven lathe - and some blown glass - oh - and a brain...

    A lot could go wrong here - but the British tend to not record their mistakes - only their victories...:)

    Today - style seems to evolve around any fat *** that can sell his ******** to the salivating public lottery winners - while walking across the floor with his hands in his pockets - who can hire a mouse jockey to back him up...:)

    Today - STYLE OR DESIGN - mean about as much as a particularily stinky fart - it used to Raymond Loewy - the APSCO pencil sharpener - it used to be the Bauhuas - evicted by Hitler to America - it used to Ludwig Meiss Van De Rohe and so many others...

    A good read is OBJECTS OF DESIRE...

    As for those 'designer *******' - Buck Fuller was a drunk till he was 40 - then he just stopped - imagine that...

    Hell - I just walked away from an out of print book worth over 200 bucks - selling at 60 - that had lines for Laurent Giles Blue Leopard...

    I must be getting apathetic...

    SH.
     
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    Actually, french sold the federation land for cheap to finance the european war... lost a lotta land and spirit... that time they dont have ebay...
     
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    The French lost at Waterloo and ain't won a damn thing since!! Any modern French Victory has been done for them by foreigners, WWI and WWII for a start!! Why do you think they have a Foreign Legion? They also do not always win tho' they do much better than pure French (why is there this problem? they have French Officers is why!!) The Only exceptions to this are of course the Bretons, who neither fight wars nor generally give a 5h1t about the rest of France - the main reason being that the Bretons are NOT French they are Celts (like the Welsh, Scots, Erse, Manx and of course the Cornish);)
     
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    Safie, thamks for the "who is up whom and who is paying the rent", now could you also answer that my question in another thread? I think it was CRUD (or is that CRUDE)? Post 162
     
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    Surely will Missy Lee - soon as I find it! Might not be to your liking but as sure as it will be an answer - of sorts!!
     
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    Some of those self-developed rules must have been based on an aesthetic resembling a that of rabid raccoon on Cialis, though. I like round portlights, myself; but looking through some designs from the Gilded Age (Belle Epoque, pre-Great War era, whatever) it looks like one or two of these poor cruisers took a broadside from HMS Offended.
     
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    I also would like to state that, although I am a big fan of French women in French lingerie; of French cuisine in all its charming variety; of the French idea of how life is to be lived;

    I find them an extraordinarily easy target for the lowest kind of humor. How the hell do they explain their fascination with Jerry Lewis?
     
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    I have met many Brits who found themselves abandoned by the fleeing UK diplomats of certain African countries when they became independent. The French embassies were their saviours and I have been told that if I am ever in a simillar country when it all goes pear-shaped my best chance of getting out is with the French. They might act independently of everyone else, but they look after their own.
     
  14. clodgo
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    I know very little about the French, however I do enjoy eating french fries. I realize that they are referred to around the world (France included) as chips but is there a connection between chips, round port lights, and the French?
     

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    Well, there is on this thread if nowhere else.
     
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