"CRUDE" oil, an absolute must see program !!!

you guys are great
ok
let me go check out this flicker
I got a few brews and I have no clue what its about aparently
so Im in
give me a few and Ill get back to you
B

oh and that bit about alcohol started in thread 1430 I think
was the last I had checked since my last post
so I read through and answered the first few like always

 

ok
thats ******* hillarious
All Bartlett was a professor of mine from way back in the day
my uncle lectured in optical physics at the university from time to time and if I remember they were palls
the guy ( Boulder City councilman ) he was talking about early on in that flick was Paul Danish and he ended up writing the Danish plan that was adopted
its main point was 1% growth and was a ten year plan

Professor Bartlett was really well liked and flipping genius
I had him in a differential equations class and he really was a great teacher
but it was a long time ago and I may be mixing him up
Ive had coffee with him a few times as Paul and I used to hang out
and he helped Paul with his presentation to the city council
dam trip down memory lane kids

sooooooo
anyone ever heard of the world health organization being responsible for at least 75% of the aids in Africa based solely on there required immunizations
apparently they provided plenty of doses
but not enough needles to administer those doses
then they required people to take them
and the doctors to administer them
but
each family had to share a needle
so if one family member had aids
they all probably got it
I got a documentary on it round here somewhere

and a few books on it
try
Aids and the doctors of death
and get back to me
B

for being an hour fifteen that was only a two beer show
definitely kept my interest
way to go
thanks
B

 

I have to agree, That is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in EVERYONES' life to UNDERSTAND.......

Thanks Meanz, excellent and necessary information.... Here is a companion book http://shop.cubookstore.com/ePOS?th...XK0jMh7Eo+4tyi4NezbPwlkulcyH7b2aJoLMensc7vNkQ

 

if you go all the way back in the "what do we think" thread you will see very early on I mention one of the biggest problems we face is food
we have subsidized the excess population on protein from the oceans and now that protein is nearly exhausted
that we are loosing fisheries right and left and that if were not careful we are going to cause an aerobic stratification of the oceans
long before we run out of oil or natural gas or coal we'll see the end of food
its the most immediate problem just short of global climate change
as the two are so closely tied together
I thought it interesting he pointed out the Aswan high dam
its a poster child for stupidity and waste
kinda like AIDS is the poster child for man made diseases
911 the poster child for an inside job
( mob mentality, we need someone to hate )
basically were screwed


I wonder
did anyone on here read the Dresden codex
its one of the few Mayan manuscripts to survive and the one that highlights the end of the ( world ) calender
basically it doesnt state that the world will explode or anything like that
what it actually says is half of us starve starting at about the solar ecliptic
the other half suffer and fight amongst ourselves
thats the famous Dec 23 2012 date that gets kicked around so much
thing is if you correct for deviations in the Gregorian calender the date works out to 2006 some time
( actually there is an argument to be made that the Mayans already corrected for that )
now I ask you
if we have hit peak oil
and peak food
and peak ocean production long ago
( hell the canadians are working on a way to make use of Jelly fish for gods sakes, Moon Jellies is just about all they have left and there overpopulating fast )
how long till we hit peak population

another few years maybe if not already

I was called for doom and gloom and told I was dead wrong when I brought all this up over on that thread
funny but I flip to another thread and find out Ive been preaching to the pope
maybe

you guys must be pulling my leg again

 

Not a chance of pulling your leg a second time, and to continue in your theme - remember the futuristic movie titled "Soylent Green" which was the protein substance that was the sole source of food, and in the movie the plot was to expose that the "food" was derived from +35 year olds who graduated to "heaven" and were re-processed to feed everyone..... There is nothing new, just "re-invented" and served up as "new"..........

 

Back to Oils, - - - Depletion is something that cannot be denied and supply can only be shortened as reserves have been growing without any drilling or testing so it could all be over before we know it.....

Do you know any places where subsistence living is still a way of life? - - - If not you will have to learn very quickly or find a community prepared to "adopt" you and your family because of what you can contribute to their existence WITHOUT GROWTH...... Learning to maintain the status quo with Nature......

 

LOL... that will be next week then!

 

Alternative Powered Cars, 3-wheel versions

Aside from our crude supply problems, let me inject a few positive notions.

I was sure hoping those fuel prices would not drop so quickly, lest we forget working on alternative powered vehicles....particularly here in the USA where we consume so much fuel for auto purposes. And now this big downturn in the economy may make that much less funding available for these grass roots developments.

But ingenuity can not totally be quenched....here are a few interesting
3-wheel developments in the works that I found doing a little search yesterday.

Enjoy the videos, particularly that T-Rex unit:

http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/html/the_car.html

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/SEMA-Video-Footage-by-The_86919.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Global-News-Special-92mpg_118150.htmhttp://videos.streetfire.net/video/Global-News-Special-92mpg_118150.htm


...or how about this T-Rex vehicle...yahoo!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38TFetQAe2o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19h99yLoo2o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu_tYnLAivw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQDMV7WPQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpP3y_aY1iQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Bp1sY_YYk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMLDBmxy4go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZ0bNDX68k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di69WJTug0E

 

actually if talking about the oceans
its was yesterday
95/100 fish over one foot long have already been removed from the ocean

why is it china and Japan have moved to a more western diet
partly because they can afford to
partly because they cant afford not to
have you checked the price of one fresh blue fin sushi grade tuna these days at the Japan fish market
its up in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range
they have to go so far to catch them they relay them by high speed helicopter back to the mainland

I think there were ~17 major fisheries around the world
now there are ~8 left
all the rest have collapsed
not one has recovered to become commercially viable
the speed of the collapse has been exponential
and the half way mark has been reached
we are already
one minute before twelve as the video noted

best
B

 

Just a point... fish are to a degree renewable. If we layoff them they will come back sooner or later, assuming we have not fished to extinction. We can and do farm them... thats not to say I can make a case for continued growth of the human population as sustainable, arguing the reverse appears to be the only sensible route, I don't think we are in the least bit sustainable at these population levels. The main problem for us the non renewable reliances we have, they need to be altered... the other situations can be managed (at least to the degree that our impact has on them), including our population, theoretically at least, should we choose to.

 

the population part
sure all you gotta do is get about seven billion people to agree
shouldn't be to hard

the fish part
sorta
no exausted fish stock has ever recovered fully and I think only one has come back at all and that would be cod
but
they are not even close to anything called recovered
mater of fact the morphology has even had to change in order to compensate for the resulting trophic cascade when they were initially nearly wiped out
and they are now subject to huge die offs based on that new morphology

fish farming is a problem in itself
when it comes to fish we tend to eat predators
big fish eats little fish
you know the story
well what do you feed all those salmon and farmed tuna
other fish right
wrong
they trawl and drag for whatever they can dredge up and slurry it
makes a yummy little pellet for them
destroying the ocean floor in the process
oh need I go into that little jewel
ocean trawling is certain death to any sustainable notions about the sea
aarrrgggg
ok but we dredge up **** to feed these farmed fish
killing for years were we dredge
then we bombard them with antibiotics to keep the parasites at bay
go look up how much antibiotics gets added to there feed pellets
then we watch the estuaries were we farm them go to ****
cause fish poop
and how are you going to shovel out a fish pen
best they can do is move the pens around and they dont often do that
then there is the little darling of wild stalk contamination
for that one go ask a west coast salmon fisherman were all the wild salmon went these last few years
note the fishery was closed a few years ago for lack of return run fish
( I believe it was referred to as a total collapse )
not from any failure of the fishing industry to follow there quota
an unusual quota in that its one of the few well managed fisheries outside of the western Alaskan area
but it is believed to have been caused from imature first year fish picking up so many parasites on there way past the pens to the sea that none
none
survived
none

dam brother I know more about the ocean fisheries than you bargained for and its not pretty

now lets talk fuel for the boats that go out and do the dredging
trawling seining scooping up of every living briething thing in there path
call it what you will
and how many calories they actually bring back to feed to those fish
vs how many calories the fish turn into more fish
think about it
it takes roughly ten pounds of fish meal to make one pound of edible fish
depends on the fish
any way you slice it
its more fuel efficient to let the fish catch there own dam dinner

in many cases the boats go out deeper in the water with fuel load
than they come back with ocean floor slurry
which had better be 65% fish squish or its worthless

now we could talk about Tilapia
ever eaten a Tilapia
its disgusting
ever seen the salton sea were most of em in this country at least, come from
its subject to anoxic events
large areas of it turn into a stinking rotting sea of floating Tilapia carcasses every summer
any one who has seen were Tilapia come from wouldnt go near it
thing is
you have to feed salmon ( tasty fish ) about 65% fish protien
you only have to feed Tilapia ( tastes like old shoe ) about 8%
so you can throw your garbage at the Tilapia and yum
you get one bland filthy but you can eat it fish
Ill pass

shall we move on to long lining
or illegal fishing
or the complete inability of our world leaders to come to any agreement on a manageable and sustainable world fishing policy
its a ******* free for all out there
and its not going to end till every last fish it done and on the grill

good news is once we do run out of fish
assuming that happens before the oceans go anaerobically stratified
you will start to see that pesky old population problem start to right itself
cause we have subsidized this overpopulation on petroleum and fish
no fish
no food

now
tell me more about this fuel thing
and how many years we have left
cause those fisheries are dropping like flies

love and happiness
B

 

Total supply, some where between 10 & 15 years... before it becomes a major problem its about half that in rough numbers unless growth is paired back dramatically. By 2015 it should be a complete bun fight with around half of todays oil flows.

Your talking beside the point again and blowing your own horn in the process, its not pretty. You seem to have completely misunderstood the point of the video and what a 2005 peak actually means, that leads me to suspect your judgement.

You don't really seem to understand just how much we rely on cheap energy and how radically our world changes if we fail this transition. It will arrive before any climate change seriously impacts us... it will cause critical food shortage before any other impacts if you consider our whole food supply beyond fish. However the most likely and devastating outcome will be war over resources, that is closer than you think... basically because we have run out of time even if we have the transition technologies read to go tomorrow. Man will exploit every energy source he can in the transition period to plug the gap but nothing we have today will scale and solve the liquid fuel issue. Climate change will be pushed aside as the realities of shrinking economies, people losing work, living standards falling impacts upon the political climate, this process has already begun in our country with our new left wing government falling at the first hurdles as far as the green movement are concerned, they are now however facing reality and not selling rhetoric to get elected. This will be a race for energy and if the technologies can't deliver in time war is a very serious option. Russia will play the energy card and the US will not take it well and is very badly prepared to weather that storm. All things going well it will just be tense, going badly someone will decide to reduce the worlds population without asking first. Its difficult to overstate the importance of what is just a few years away, this is a depression in itself with all the ugly side effects without considering the financial mess that has preceded it.

 

Those with guns will seek and take the fuel they want, and no amount of self weaponry will be sufficient to defend yourselves... The key is to establish yourself in a remote region where there is no easy access by motorised vehicle, and set yourself (and family) up to be self sustaining in a subsistence lifestyle where you have no capacity for growth or expansion so what is there can recover and as the rest of the world dies of disease and starvation the rest of the world will be given the time and reduced pressure and have a chance to recover..... from the **** and pillage humanity has pursued solely to our own detriment...

 

Not necessarily. Apparently the collapse of fisheries have as much or more to do with smaller fish than fewer fish. By taking only the larger fish to protect the next generation we are essentially breeding the fish to be smaller. Removing the genes in the fish responsible for size. Textbook example of evolutionary pressure. Our own conservation efforts are working against us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2094580.stm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/3/l_103_02.html

 

they call that Darwin's debt my-wan
and its that whole morphology thing I had mentioned
both physical changes and social leading to genetic degradation and eventual complete extinction
basically when an animal is still existent in an environment that has undergone trophic cascade then it has no choice but to attempt to fit whatever nitch that may be available
probably not the one it is best suited for and probably one that belonged to someone else that wont be back anytime soon

but hang on
it seems like Meanz got mad that I went off on fish and food rather than oil
so let me digress to that point

given the tone of that last Meanz all I can really say is
thank you sir may I have another

and no
I understand it just fine
thanks for the concern
our entire agricultural development depends on petroleum based fertilizers and pesticides
our entire transportation system
( why do you think I pointed out earlier in this thread that alcohol isnt the cure all given its lower BTU potential )
and the vast majority of the global warming issue
maybe you missed the part about Al B being one of my professors back in the day
we all had a lot of respect for that guy
he was great teacher
hell Ive sat down at the coffee shop with him
I think I got a pretty clear grip on what he is trying to say and how he is saying it

I gotta wonder who doesnt get it
doesnt this all mean we should begin right now and eliminate the need for and not just get more efficient with oil
doesnt this mean we should effort alternative renewable energy sources immediately
and doesnt it just prove how the industry stooges have been dishonest
attempting to wring that last short term gain and ignoring that long term need
seems like had they been a little less self serving there wouldnt be such a crisis now
seems like the oil and gas industry should be fined kinda like the cigarette industry was and the money used to fund alternative fuels
after all
we sure as hell cant depend on those phonies to look out for our future now can we

other than that
what is there to be said
yup
got it
were running out
ya dont say

if it were up to the the oil and gas industry
and it has been
then were would we be
we would be in the mess we are in now woudnt we
soooooo
maybe it shouldn't be up to the oil and gas fools who have put us in this position
maybe they should be stripped of there outrageous profits and the money used to clean up there mess

kinda like what should be and is sorta happening to the tobacco peddlers

love B

there is more than just one problem and one subject
they all tie together and that is the understanding that is lacking
and not by yours truly
but thanks for the mention
cheers
B