"CRUDE" oil, an absolute must see program !!!

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  1. TeddyDiver
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    Yeah! It's obvious the real rocket science is Naval Architecture and not that simple, a=v/t and v=r/t. Rocket scientists, wussies:p
     
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    the1much hippie dreams

    heres your BBQ SH ,,,,,its made from oil feild pipe on a oilfield skid,,,,this dude is at all the BBQ cook-offs round here,,,,and yes the pic of the *** is me ;)
    amn im gettin hungry :D
     

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  3. rambat
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    Another must see

    Brian, here is a link to a great follow up effort about the concerns "Crude" brings to light.
    One gentelman in NY is blazing the trail toward one solution without much backpeddeling to our western way of life, this is a must see:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw
     
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  4. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    hahahhaha i jus re-read a few of the posts,,,, i had 454 points,,,,damn,,,,i didnt even notice,,,hehehe,,,too bad a mod. musta,,,he couldnt let me know and give me 3 or 4 days ta rub it in to everyone,,hehehe ;) :D
     
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    At least you prefaced this statement with "I think", meaning it is your opinion that... But the evidence points to the contrary as far as health at least.

    You could probably make a good case for moral decline stemming from a life of ease, though. It would not be the first time, either. Think of ancient Rome. As soon as people are no longer occupied with the daily struggle for survival, then they have lots of extra time and material resources on their hands. Not all will use these wisely.
     
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  6. the1much
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    heh

    the only thing on "your" side,,,,is life longevity,,,,,,and thats easily made null by looking at what was considered "work" and what one did once "home"(which was most likely 8 more hours of REAL work) so to the longevity "argument" i say " i'd rather be able to say i was tough,,,and knew what it was like to have a REAL day of work,365 days a year,,,,and be able to go to bed every night,,or look in the mirror, and know i was a REAL man,,,,,and ACTUALLY knew what that meant.
    as for "health" facts,,,,there isnt any, so that argument cant be "argued" be either side with any relative "truths"
     
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    The1, are you talking about posts or rep? I gave to Rep, honest, as Jeff will not allow me to give more... will tokens do? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::D

    Did you know there is a neutral one - pleasant gray - I do not know how that was done?????
     
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    hahaha i was talking bout "rep" apparently mine said 454 the otha day hehehehe and i know,,,,Jeff says i need ta spread mine too,,,,,along with rep heh ;) :D
     
  9. FranklinRatliff

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    Dumb as crap

    Excuse me, but are you f*cked in the head? The last three years in Iraq shows why until President Shrub came along, no thoughtful reasonable president (the only western leaders with the power to consider an invasion) seriously considered invading and occupying a middle eastern country.
     
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    does anyone realize just how many "oil wells" we have here in the u.s.,,,then add on top of that all of north america?,,,i know for myself,,every day i see bout 2 thousand,,,and on "break down" day and thursdays i see over 10,000 wells.,,hehehe,,the funny thing is how the "government" and "others" has alot of the "general" public fooled..hehehee,,,shoot in canada they got enough oil in their dirt, to keep most of the WORLD going at this rate for another 200 years,,,,hehehe ( that probably doesnt take in account for fat women using sun tan oil at an alarming rate because of global warming) ;)
     
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    Thanks for the link to the film. It may take 30 years to implement new technology but there are always the early adopters who show others the way who then show others the way. If we are going to have a chance at a smooth transition away from oil then we all need to do our part to conserve to make up for those who don't. Ride your bike to work, take mass transit, send out links about this video. No one is perfect but we can all improve a little without too much sacrifice. Sail to weather instead of motoring. We are in a bad way right now and things are definitely going to get worse before they get better but all we can do is try our best and have hope. The company I work for http://www.solarcity.com/ is coming out with a new financing program that requires nothing down and your monthly payment will be less than your old electricity bill. By the way we never went to the moon. If we did we didn't film any of it up there and shot all of the footage in a studio because those shots are FAKE.
     
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    Brian
    This whole topic is argument for argument sake. It has nothing to do with boats other than the obvious fact (some say opinion) that fuel for the ones that use it will get more expensive. And you can see by some of the comments that that is just a government conspiracy! And indeed it has now been confirmed here that the film of Armstrong was shot in a studio - at least I got half a day off uni to go home and watch the film on TV.

    What I am arguing is that you need enabling technology about 30 years before that technology becomes common day. The will to actually do something is another matter. If you have mature enabling technolgies then, with a focused approach and huge committment, you can make a major change in about 10 years.

    My view is that Bush went the wrong way and the alliance governments followed. Rather than agressively moving our dependency away from oil 7 or so years ago we went in to protect stable supply. The opportunity to adapt to limited oil supply in a less painless way is slipping.

    How much oil does the US import? What will happen to the economy when it is USD200 a barrell? Is that when THEY (the governement conspirators) will release all the oil that is stockpiled securely in Texas!

    Coming back to boats and the ethical question of oil conservation. If you had this yacht:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/17/wsaddam117.xml
    and an oil well or two to supply it with fuel, pay for ites crew and provisioning would you leave it parked up?

    I am sure if you could not bring yourself to use it for conservation reasons, you would find the majority on the forum or anywhere else would. So where is the will to reduce dependance on oil. The will will come from the hip pocket nerve or strong leadership from governments; not looking at a film that presents one side of an argument.

    Rick W.
     
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    Unfortunately all this "sacrifice" will be of no benefit at all. It won't help reduce CO2 output AT ALL (if that's one of your goals; I'll assume it is) since world energy needs are growing, not static. And it will do nothing to reduce the price of crude oil. So it amounts to completely pointless self-inflicted pain. Ultimately, conservation will by no means get us out of the crunch. At best it will buy us a few years, like 5 or so. We need more energy sources, as cheap (we can settle for nearly as cheap;) ) as fossil fuels.

    The only way these 'alternatives' compete with fossil fuels is by being heavily subsidized. When the crude oil price is high enough that the alternatives can compete directly, then the subsidies can stop and the alternative energy industry could presumably be self-sustaining (profitable). But don't hope for the swift arrival of that turn of events; it will not be pleasant; overall the energy costs go up, WAY up. When we are living in a bearish 'expensive energy' economy rather than the booming 'cheap energy' economy that we are accustomed to, with NO MORE piles of cash all around to be used for R&D, how will we afford to innovate our way into the future?

    Answer: We won't.

    But the 'next generation' energy source is yet not on the horizon. Why not just harvest more crude oil? Technology marches on in our prosperity, NOT in our poverty!

    It wasn't necessary that some great governmental body ban, tax or in any way curtail the use of stone to hasten the transition out of the stone age. To quote Bjorn Lomborg, " The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stone; it ended because we found something better."

    Likewise it is completely unnecessary and even counter-productive for the government to do any of the above WRT fossil fuels. When we find something better, we will surely begin using it!

    Ha Ha! Great joke! :D But this is not one of the humor threads (of which there are many).

    You are joking, yes?
    :p
     
  14. charmc
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    Rick,

    To be fair, Brian is correct in characterizing his initial post. He did not claim that the film presented any solutions or took a political stance; rather he recommended it as a well crafted explantation of the role of crude oil and its derivatives in the contemporary world. Objective information presented in a clear manner is essential for any long term adjustment to the end of the era of relatively inexpensive crude. While it's obvious that you have an excellent grasp of technology, it is a sad fact that the vast majority of people have little or no idea of how crude oil is formed, extracted, transported, and made into useable products. The film serves, IMHO, a valuable purpose in giving this information in a clear and concise manner.

    Brian,

    While there have been exceptions for limited and well defined goals, such as the US effort to put a manned expedition on the moon. Rick has a good point about the fact that new technologies take a significant period of years from initial development to useful and common commercial deployment. I don't accept 30 years as a given, but it is good to remember that efforts to develop technologies based, for example, on alternative fuels, will most likely take at least 15-20 years, perhaps more, to become commonplace. That, of course, is not to say that we shouldn't try.

    Personally, I've been disgusted by the short-sightedness exhibited by far too many Americans in the past 20 years. The concept of converting trucks into massive passenger vehicles and the exhibitionist culture of conspicuously wasteful and pointless consumption manifested in "poker runs" by showoffs in pseudo race boats represent a self-centered, shortsighted view based on a childish "I want mine now, and lots of it" mentality. Before any changes can have a measurable effect, the majority of citizens need to change their thinking.
     

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    masalai masalai

    Very diplomatically put Charles, and a most persuasive case presented... Errr what was the point again?

    Ageing processes - memory is good, it's just getting those thoughts out and recorded...

    I am firmly of the opinion that, , , , , ,(Oh yes) , , , , it would be beholden on those who so desire, to find out what the need to know, and, - BUILD A BLOODY BOAT - - - Emmm, - - - 'cause that is why we are here? - - I thought :D:D

    I am doing my little bit (as well as playing with my little red fishes.)... :D

    Piece be into you, and may it taste as good as you desire:D
     
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