crowther 10 hull refit: how much ?

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by guzzis3, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. sabahcat
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    Zealotry and Fanboyism
     
  2. guzzis3
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    :D

    I don't mind wharrams, but I have a set of T30 plans and was quite taken aback when I got them how wasteful of time and materials it is. Compare the elegance of Woods or Crowther, quite different.

    I also forgot to mention the other reason I'm off ply.

    About 2 years back (goodness that long already) the boss and I had a holiday in New Zealand. Beautiful place, especially the malbrough sounds. Lovely people. Anyway much to our surprise she started getting sick at the accomodations. Not everywhere but most places. Chemicals.

    Anyway, she has a similar problem with my Jarcat. Love the little boat, does what it does very well indeed, and I continue to be bewildered that subsequent mini bridgedeck designes have not incorporated Mr Turners innovations. Besides that, the thing is the boss can't sleep aboard because of the interior finish, or something.

    I am prepared to believe I'm wrong, but my feeling is I can probably steam clean or sand glass back to a raw finish and use this special low toxic paint she found that does not make her sick, that assuming the interior of a glass boat makes her sick in the first place. I know polyester outgasses for many years, but she doesn't seem to routinely react around things made of glass, so I have hopes.

    That's my story. Not much of a story but it's the only one I've got. :)

    I hope none of you have caught this virus I've got. It's not very good.
     
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  4. Rickm505
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    I've sailed Prouts and do not care for the mast stepped on the rear bulkhead. It's not only the sail plan ( large genny and tiny mainsail). All sailing lines end up in a pile in the cockpit. One accidental gybe and having a foot caught in the jumble of ropes and over the side you go. It's happened on these boats. Soft decks can be an issue with them if they aren't maintained, and is probably why that Prout in the ad is dropping in price.
     
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    Amazing how much you know about a boat you've sailed what, once?
    As I said, they're extremely well built and have a lot of interior room for a 32ft cat.
    They have excellent sea manners and I've never heard of one having issues due to it being "too narrow".
    As for speed, I can guarantee, if you load any equivalent sized cat to the same weight a Eureka can carry (which is considerable) you'd find similar speeds on offer. Cruising is all about carrying large amounts of stores and water, give me nice broad hulls for that.
    They probably went the way of the dodo due to poor marketing and the fact the company manufacturing them was selling bare hull/deck moulds, saturating the dreamer market, combined with the fact that in the 70's, multihulls were still viewed as the redheaded stepchild of the cruising world.
    Much could also be said of the many various iterations of the Crowther 10.
     
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    Like 35 different "models" from Beach Marine...........here's one of them http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/beach-ma.../290663676949?pt=AU_Boats&hash=item43ace7bc15 for sale now, although similar a different hull to the C10, once available at 9M, 10M/32' & with or with out bridgedeck cabin, with headroom, bimini/targa & access options.
     
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    I had a seawind 24 of my own at that stage which I had cruised somewhat and wanted something larger.
    I had also sailed on many fast cats owned by others.
    And then I sailed on a eureka.

    I knew that I did not want a slow boat.
    What more did I need to know?
     
  8. guzzis3
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    Again thank you all for the responses and apologies for the sporadic followups. Still sick so away from computers for days at a time. Perhaps a good thing. :)

    Another optimist. I actually thought that might be a 25' looking at the pics. Has a tiny cockpit and bridgedeck for a 9 meter boat. I suppose they have some justification for asking $135k but I can't see it. There are just much nicer looking boats for much less money right now.

    Lots of those beach marine 80's cats for sale at the moment. Odd how things come in waves. As you say a multitude of variations. Pity there isn't a guide somewhere to explain the differences.
     
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    compared to what?
    and by well built do you mean heavy?
    Some would say to much ;)
    A narrow boat carries less sail.
    Sail is HP
    Less hp is less speed

    and being narrower beam, they obviously have less space than others in their size with wider beam
    As for speed I can guarantee you you that if you overload any boat it'll sail like a dog.
    Better to have the same gear on longer hulls or come to the reality that a 32 fter does not a 40 fter make and cut back the crap accordingly.
    Point being, don't overload
     
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    G'day 'guzz' - must be an Ozie thing - then, hay - cause I'm missing it also. Sailed a few, knew Lockie & family - live just north of you - built yachts all my working life - I'm missing it also. Presentation wise - I'd be on a plain - over-there not heading down south. One is presented - extra well & the other is just a "scruffy" looking boat/presentation. There sure is a lot one could do with all the money difference - like cruise anywhere in the world including all the way back out here - if one wished to do that - & still have a tad left over - more than enough to cruise out of Darwin & do the 'Ambon' & SE Asia circuit. Get better soon & get sailing - cause that'll get you much better - much quicker. Ciao, & good luck, cobber & have a fab 2012. james, Cairns.
     
  12. guzzis3
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    Thank you for your thoughts James.

    Tell me, given your in cairns, are you familiar with the crowther 10 open deck that I mentioned previously ?

    I think that boat asking $70k, the F1 in Airlie at $43 and the one in Bali asking $75 are probably worth a look. I'd consider the c10 in Mackay but it'd have to be about half what they are asking.

    BTW I was born in Home Hill. I have quite a few family in Ayr :) FNQ was and is always much nicer than the south east.
     
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    I had a brochure somewhere for the range from about 90-92, I did some fit out work on some Beach Marine cats & owned one similar to the one for sale, actually a pretty roomy livable boat & spent a couple of years living aboard & some cruising, the one I had was the same moldings but with a stern extension taking it to 10m & minikeels, fitted some where in between a Seawind 850 & 10m but quicker. There was Macro 25s, Sonic 25, a Super Sonic, a 28 along the lines of the 25 but stretched, C10 & 11, PC 9m Targa 32/ PC 10, Sports Cruisers, Islander 35, Adventurer 40, Pacific Cruiser 44 & 47 & a few others with options as apparent on length, minikeel or dagger boards, center cockpit etc. I sold my cat for around 95K about 12 years ago.
    The tooling was sold off & separated for some models quite a few years ago & some of the later molds lost to bush fire.
     
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    Australia is a ripoff?
    Why do you think so many are buying boats OS?
     

  15. guzzis3
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    sabahcat: I am comming to that conclusion. I don't know a lot about shipping/importing a boat, but if you take those C10 bridgedecks for example I wonder if it'd cost $35k to bring that one over from Panama...

    It's painful to look at the overseas sites and see the prices.

    waikikin: Thank you for that. Sounds like a complex lineup. Wish I could make head or tail of it. What for example is the difference between a macro 25 and a sonic 25 ? bridgedeck ?

    The little 25 would be enough for me _IF_ it had a rational accomodation layout. What we really need is a proper double, a seperate heads preferably with shower, and a galley. There is fun to be had handling a smaller boat, I know they are bouncy, wet and perhaps most important of all limited in load carrying, but I quite like being a bit close to the action. I'm only up for coastal cruising not ocean crossing.

    Anyway I'll just keep looking and see what comes up. I asked aout the F1 berths. They are 1 and 1.1 meters wide. Not enough for the two of us I'm afraid.

    The C10 bare hull sold BTW. Be interesting to see how the new owner gets on.
     
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