crowther 10 hull refit: how much ?

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  1. sabahcat
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    Old boat old design and had issues, hence the extension done.

    Not compared to the alternatives, in Aust. NZ at least.

    In countries where they had pretty poor choices they may have stacked up well------------ 40 years ago.
     
  2. guzzis3
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    Really ? ! I'd heard nothing but good things about the eureka.

    I was just reading the pbo review of the catalac 9m. They seemed to think it went well to windward. You'd never think so looking at it...

    Anyway....

    Again thanks for the comments.
     
  3. sabahcat
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    When were they written? (old comment, review)
    By who? (Brokers, vested interests)
    Compared to what? (cats are a lot better now than 20 years ago, what was considered good then is possibly not now)

    Apparently not what Chuck Kanter says
    http://www.catamaransite.com/catalac_8m.html

    I would think your observations would be correct
    Looks like a besser block...........
     
  4. cavalier mk2
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    Most of the time when we are cruising we'll see other sailboats powering everywhere so they can get "there" on time. For them a boat that powers well first makes a lot of sense, plus it can sail if it needs to which the power cats aren't set up for. The uglies you'd have to learn to live with but it should be easy to find in the anchorage or at the dock.
     
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    There is nothing at all wrong with a Eureka 32. I have spent a good bit of time on one, and that boat had also been through much severe weather.
    I wonder if Sabahcat has actually ever set foot on one?
     
  7. waikikin
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    I haven't sailed on a Eureka but have had 2 sails on an Osprey (Same boat) once(during hull survey & performance analysis) inshore on Pittwater & another time from Port Hacking to Pittwater- seem to remember we made pretty good time in a strong South Easter but also note the owners next vessel was at the opposite end of the performance envelope. A nicely laid out vessel for a family. Also an Osprey or Eureka was featured in part of Alby Mangels "World Safari" Movie.
     
  8. sabahcat
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    Sure have, looked to buy one myself at one stage
    To slow , to narrow and to much boat on to little hull for my liking.

    I daresay a good boat in their day, but the simple fact that they went the way of the dodo indicates that they were lacking.
    If, they were so good, we'd all be on a list to get one.
     
  9. Rickm505
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    Now, I'm confused. I went to this page you referenced. Incredible website by the way .... a good find.

    Catalac 8M information

    And this is what the website said:

    "Chuck Kanter calls them one of the catamaran brands that live on through the decades."

    "...These boats will deliver 6 knots in 10-12 knots of wind, and maintain speed right up to 35 degrees apparent. Boats with outboard engines are slightly quicker than boats with twin diesel engines due to underwater drag of the diesel engine running gear. The boats also have high bridge deck clearance for their size. ...."

    A 27' boat that sails to 35 deg apparent isn't bad at all (it's a function of apparent vs hull speed).

    What exactly is out there that will better this boat, and sleep 5, and have twin diesels engines and will cross oceans, and costs less than $45K?
     
  10. cavalier mk2
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    They are good boats, the review I posted was from Chuck Kanter's book "Cruising On More Than One Hull !" A great quick reference for many older multihulls. He actually rates the 8m better than the 9m on sailing qualities, sailing 3, windward ability 2, ease of tacking 4. He prefers the 9m layout. The Catalac website is great, apparently the skeg rudders helped plus not over sheeting. A daggerboard could be added without ruining the safety aspects of the hull design, Chuck mentioned putting the engine in gear at 1/4 throttle let it keep up with everyone to windward and he delivered one over 1000 miles. Horses for courses and all that.
     
  11. catsketcher
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    Lots of money on the C10

    I think that if you paid people to do the work on the C10 you would be looking at about $40 000 in labour. At least 1000 hours to get it anywhere near sailing and at $40 an hour the money will go.

    The rig and deck gear of such a boat will be at least $40 000 with satefy gear too

    cheers

    Phil
     
  12. Corley
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    Corley epoxy coated

    It might be smaller than you were considering but I have a friend in the MYCV who is selling his Macro 25 catamaran it's a very well cared for boat and we have had it out in some pretty atrocious conditions and it has handled them well. The owner (Terry) is keen to sell as unfortunately his wife has terminal cancer and he has had to become a full time carer.

    It is not full standing room in the bridgedeck but the settee converts into a very comfortable double bed and your wife would be able to see out the windows and converse with you easily. It also has a head in the starboard hull. A Macro 25 based in Hobart has cruised across Bass Strait and up the east coast to Queensland so they are a seaworthy little boat. It has a near new set of sails from Quantum. Some of the guys in the club who are retired have offered to deliver the boat up the coast if required.

    http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/macro-25-performance-cruiser-catamaran/38251
     

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  13. jamez
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    Just trying to remember where it was when you visited....main hull still upside down if I recall. Its (centre hull) 99% finished now, painted, antifouled and ready to screw stuff on too, sitting in the back yard. Floats are glassed just decks to finish. And I'll be starting the beams in a week or two. Then sort the rig out etc. Who knows maybe next Xmas??? :D



    I used to have doubts about ply, but the little Wharram cured me of that. Built of epoxy coated exterior grade ply 30+ years old and proved completely sound when I stripped all the paint off to glass the hulls. And it sat on a mooring for 5 years unused before I bought her. Properly built and epoxied from new is the secret. The Gypsy should be built that way and glassed on the outside as well...............
     
  14. guzzis3
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    First sorry I haven't replied sooner. I've been sick this week.

    I can relate to the gentleman's plight. I've been primary carer for the boss for 10 years now. Hopefully she isn't going to pass on anytime soon. I'll probably get into trouble mentioning this but the father in law was diagnosed with very advanced prostate cancer about 2002. They told him to sort out his estate because he'd be dead in a few months. He took apricot kernels and a special diet and is still running us ragged today. I'm not a believer in hippie medicine but his case speaks for itself.

    Odd that the listing for the maco says boat name xanadu but the photo shows x rated painted down the flanks.

    It's certainly a nice boat, but that gypsy is had to go past.

    catsketcher: I think you about right on the labour, I think I could do a bit better on parts though, either way it's not practical.

    sabahcat: I daresay a good boat in their day, but the simple fact that they went the way of the dodo indicates that they were lacking.
    If, they were so good, we'd all be on a list to get one.

    At the risk of starting a religious war, how then do you explain wharrams ?

    Jamez: That's about right. I read you last email with great interest and was more than a little surprised when I saw the pics of the hull in yellow :) I've always been really keen on yellow boats, because anything that helps us be seem in amongst the tankers and container ships has to be good.

    Back to convalescing..
     

  15. guzzis3
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    http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1978/Prout-Quest-31-2319248/Netherlands-Antilles-(NL)

    Unbelievable. That boat was listed a while back at about $27, now dropped to $20.

    Much nicer thing than the catalac IMO. I would expect it to sail better, also really like the mast step at the rear of the cabin. The mast folds aswell which is nice.

    You can tell I'm a cruiser can't you ? concerned about seperating the berths and the mast, walking at anchor...:)

    Laminated sails just don't do it for me ...
     
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