Creekmore 45 sail/rigging plans?

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  1. Creeky
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    Does anybody have any general Creekmore 45 sail or rigging plans by chance? A few months ago I purchased a "new" 1980 Creekmore 45 that was just launched for the first time last fall. The boat is presently about 80% complete, and one of the things it has in its future is having the mast installed and rigged for the first time. I have all the sails for the boat and the 62' mast is waiting for me down in RI, but there are no actual plans to go by. There are sketches with some dimensions, and I'm hoping to be able to work out the details based on what I have, but I'd love to have something to at least compare to, even though each of these boats is different and unique.

    Anyone have any sail/rigging plans for their Creekmore 45 that they would be willing to share? Anyone have any plans or documents for a Creekmore 45? If not, can anyone direct me to some resources for reverse-engineering a sail/rigging plan based on existing parts and dimensions? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    This from Ray or Lee Creekmore in Florida? I don't see any mention of this on your Blog.
    Just curious. I heard they made more than twenty to this particular design. A huge number compared to most other Creekmores.

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    Most of these where finished off by someone other than Ray Creekmore and his son, so you'll find an assortment of rig configurations. The only Creekmore 45 I've seen was rigged as a masthead ketch. I don't have contact information for Lee, but I'll assume it's available.

    You could also consider a retro fit from another yacht, such as the sloop rig from an Endeavour 42 for example or maybe the ketch rig off a Columbia 45.

    You only have a few choices with this type of project - get the plans from Creekmore or have a designer or NA work up a new set for the rig. Reverse engineering the rig, is a very costly way to go. You're much better off, just starting from scratch, rather than attempting to back your way in. Simply put, this isn't a big set of engineering problems, so . . .

    I do know the boat had a pretty high D/L ratio (around 400) and her ballast ratio was in the mid 40% range, but little else.

    Hi Randy, good to see your post. Do you have anything on the 45 in your data base, cause I sure don't?
     
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    I do have some information on a few Creekmore models. But I was just looking at it and it's almost completely worthless. There used to be a website created by someone who temporarily had taken interest in Creekmore lore. I don't think it exists any more.
    I was lead to believe that the Creekmore 45 was the most popular design from Ray Creekmore. Although there is an Endeavor model indirectly attributed to him.
    (Incidentally, there is a Wikipedia Page devoted to Ray Creekmore who apparently is better known as an artist than a boat designer/builder).
     
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    I know about the Endeavour 37, which was supposed to be a Creekmore, but something came up in contract negations (or something) and the deal fell through. I'm not completely sure, but I think the 37 was splashed and put into production anyway.
     
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    Thanks for the responses. Sonosail, I have a partially completed history section on my blog that I have yet to publish. Thanks for the reminder. I have been distracted by trying to get some of the more major projects completed (or at least underway), but hope to get back to the history part soon.

    I found a site with the information on the different Creekmore models (http://www.mindspring.com/~ryan.neve/whaleII/creekmore.html), which seems to still be up, but likely not updated recently. I tried contacting some of the owners listed on the website, but have not gotten any responses to date. I also found Lee Creekmore's email address, but haven't heard back from him yet either. I need to try giving him a call.

    If you guys have any more ideas, please keep them coming.
     
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    That's the one. According to that site, the Creekmore 34, from which the later Endeavour derived, was from Lee Creekmore and not Ray.
    It really would be interesting, to me anyway, if you actually manage to talk to Lee Creekmore, and of course, if he has anything to say. Best of luck with your boat and with your Creekmore investigation. I look forward to hearing more about both.
     
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    Thanks Tad, that is actually the boat I purchased. I have been in touch with the owner of the other Creekmore 45 (Cailte), and he has been great about sharing some of the info and photos he has. I tried emailing the different owners listed on the mindspring site, but haven't gotten any responses yet. I'll let you guys know if I am able to get in touch with Lee and what I hear from him.

    Does anyone have any ideas about how to reverse-design a sail/rigging plan when the dimensions of the sails, mast, hull, and deck are fixed?
     
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    I'm not a naval architect, and I don't play one on TV... and I haven't even recently stayed at a Holiday Inn .....,.
    but, unless you have an unlimited budget, I'd try to find a used rig that has come off a boat of similar dimensions. Of course it might be helpful to establish a range of what those similar dimension should be. And for that, it might help to pay a professional.
     
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  11. Creeky
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    That's the thing, the boat came with a never used mast, boom, set of single spreaders, full set of sails, mast step and collar, and partially fabricated stainless chainplates. However, there are no plans as to exactly where and how the chainplates were designed to go.

    I know the mast us supposed to sit 20' aft of the bow, and there are 3 bulkheads aside that look like they were the intended home of the chainplates, but there is nothing detailed on paper. So I don't think there is too much that really needs to be planned, rather the final details just need to be worked out. Knowing how important this is and how little I know about this sort of thing, I just want to make sure it is done right.

    I am working with a rigging company in RI, but they were really adamant that I get some other plans to compare to since they don't know the boat well. I'm trying to piece together as much as I can for my knowledge and theirs.
     
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    The rigging company is advising you well, though other boat arrangements aren't going to help placement and scantlings much. These things have to be calculated. You will have to get the original plans of hire a designer.
     

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    Wow! Didn't read thoroughly enough. And this stuff was sitting around unused for all these years. You shouldn't have any trouble finding someone to help in RI.

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