Costs for basic drawings ???

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  1. 67-LS1
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    What would be a reasonable cost to have a conceptual line drawing done for a boat design? I would be looking for a plan and profile view just to see how it would look.

    The design would be a power boat of approx. 40' LOA, with a 9' beam, twin engines, open cockpit with a small cuddy forward under a very flat deck.

    At this point I would only be looking for basic line drawings to see what the idea in my head would look like once put on paper.

    Dennis
     
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    Dennis

    I think for what you are asking $500.00 to $1,000.00 would be in the ball park. The more definitive you are about the concept the less iterative the drawing process will be.
    I also think that you should think about how you want to end up with these drawings. If you want to have these basic concept drawings developed into a complete design sooner rather than later, then I think you would be better off finding a Naval Arch. or Yacht Designer that you feel comfortable working with and develop a contract with him/her.

    Doug Frolich
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  3. 67-LS1
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    I have some hand drawings that I made that are very close to the end result that I'm looking for. I have other drawings and pictures that should pretty clearly convey what I'm trying to accomplish. If I had any CAD abilities I'd try it myself.
    Can my hand drawings be scanned into a CAD system for a starting point?

    $500-1000 is more then I want to spend for drawings that may go nowhere but on my wall.
     
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    67-LS1:

    Suggest you make a copy of the sketches you have created, cover them with clear UV resistant plastic, and pin those to your wall. A fair bit less than $500, and they won't fade.
     
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    Dennis,

    Yes, Your sketches can be scaned into a CAD system very easily. From that point scale can be applied, nesc. adjustments made and the first iteration will be complete.
    But do not feel that your drawings must be computer generated, especially at this stage. Pen and ink drawings done by hand can be very pleasing, and often have more "feel" to them.
    Why don't you scan a Plan and Profile you have drawn and post it on the forum? Then see what develops.

    Doug Frolich
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    You mean simply placing a scan as a raster image into a cad program, or ending up with a nice editable vector drawing 'easily'? Would the curves end up as easily editable splines the same as if they were drawn in CAD to start? Or would they be visually fine but more difficult to edit from there? I don't mean to drive this thread off topic, but honestly I haven't kept track of how far the raster->vector programs have come. A number of years ago I was disappointed by the results (wow does time pass quickly!). At that time a lot of editing still had to go into producing a result where you could edit without lots of glitches here and there and it was often just as easy to start from the numbers and redraw if the editing from that point forward would be substantial. I'm curiuos how far the software has come in intelligence.
    And to get the thread back on topic after the above question, I think Doug has a great idea for you there. Post a few drawings that you have and get some comments. Then decide how serious you want to be with the idea and whether you want to invest in a professional taking it to the next level.
     
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    Jeff,

    What I ment by easy, was to import a bitmap of the original hand drawn sketches to Rhino and create a 3D sketch by tracing the Plan and Profile. The 3-D model may not match the original 2-D sketch exactly but at least it would be fully editable, and translatable to other programs to ensure the viability of the design as it progresses.
    Thanks for the forum!

    Doug Frolich
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    Larkspur,Ca.
     
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    I think I can scan them. Should I scan them here or in the Boatbuilding forums?
    Dennis
     
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    Thanks very much Doug - that's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed an 'even easier' way to go from paper to cad... sometimes I get set on what 'software doesn't do yet' and can be very surprised by an innovation I missed by not keeping my eyes open.... still have to spend some time learning Rhino too.

    Dennis - whichever you like. I think when you post some images you'll get feedback from a design and from construction point of view, as well as get better feedback and ideas on where you want to go as far as having professional services rendered to move the project forward. Just pick one forum and go from there. Honestly it doesn't matter too much - if the thread evolves in a different way we can always move it and leave a redirect, or split or merge...

    --the possibilities are endless... now lets see some drawings :D
     
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    I think I'll start a new post with these drawings under Boat Design so I can explain the drawings and concept.
    Dennis
     
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    Continue

    So. I want at once to say, that if you have a picture with (likely lines plan) to input this information in varios CAD-program of the special transactions does not constitute. All depends on skill, experience and specificity of that software product with which you work.
    The hull, which is exhibited in my gallery, is made in "Mechanical Desktop" v2. The feature of job consists that I can not edit surfaces immediately, if so it is possible say. "Rhino" allows to edit surfaces. "SeaSolution" - same. "Maxsurf", "Fastship", "Multisurf"- allow to reconstruct surfaces till a different kind of an input information. On how much I know.
    The similar job is spent above each hull. Difference only that work not with pictures, as an input information, and with unmatched "Lines Plane".

    Good luck, Dennis.

    Dim.
     
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    Thanks Jeff.
     

  14. faust

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    your hand drawings in a CAD software

    Dear sir ,

    I can introduce your hand drawings in a CAD software and I can do a detailed sketches. I use Catia, Inventor (3d modeling desigh).

    I can do this for a very good price.

    Let me know if you are interested.

    faust4y@yahoo.com
     
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