Controllable pitch propellers for small boats ...

Discussion in 'Props' started by kengrome, Jun 8, 2007.

  1. kengrome
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    I cannot seem to find a supplier of controllable pitch propellers for small boats and boats with low power engines. If anyone has a source that I can contact, please post it here, thanks!
     
  2. StianM
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    What kind off power are you looking for?

    If you ask Wartsila they will say low power engines is 5000hp.

    If you ask Volvo they would say 100hp.
     
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    Only 10-50 HP.
     
  5. kengrome
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    Hi Perry, I love the Yellowfin concept but when I talked with them they said they probably wouldn't have one for a small engine for a year -- and the guy sounded like it might be more like several years, not just one. I think they have their hands full with developing the bigger units (which obviously produce bigger profits) at the moment ...
     
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    Only I can think of

    www.nogva.no

    They might make something smal enough.
    It seam like it was more normal to have CPP for that rating in the good old days
     
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    Hello Ken,

    The plans for the LB26 from Jacques Mertens arrived 15 minutes ago. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!

    http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/LB26_study.htm?prod=LB26

    However, I am going to the Thames Boat Show this morning, so no time for more than a quick study.

    http://www.bealepark.co.uk/events_item.php?id=100

    I'm building in marine ply, none of this prissy foam business for me. I am building a MAN's boat, so I can run down jetski riders with impunity. Make two or three passes with the Yellowfins at max depth and speed and nobody will find 'em.:D :D :D

    As it happens, there aren't any flat chines specified, which might explain Jacques exhortations to keep it light and build superstructure with foam composite.

    I purchased these plans , so I can consult http://www.ceproof.com/Marine/marinehome.htm in order to obtain the RCD certification.

    All the best,

    Pericles
     
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    The engineering concept of a CP is grand but the costs would be way high for a small diesel.

    50hp is 2 gph ,(with the finest engine at flank) gaining 20% efficiency will take a long time to recoupe $5000 in expenses for the CP.

    Perhaps Rob White had the better idea, a prop system that allowed a rapid and easy no tool ,prop change , so the prop can suit the expected conditions.

    FF
     
  9. TerryKing
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    Alternatives to changing Prop / Pitch??

    Hmmm.. Say we're talking about a pitch change of plus and minus, um, 30 percent, or so.

    What would be the practical difference in efficiency if the same change in ratio was done in the reduction gear and the prop stayed the same??

    I'm looking at multiratio drive systems...
     
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    There is alot of old CPP around where the pitch is changed by a mecanism going from the controls too the proppeler witch is simple and I asume cheap.
     
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    What would be the practical difference in efficiency if the same change in ratio was done in the reduction gear and the prop stayed the same??

    ZF has some fine (but hardly inexpensive ) 2 speed gear boxes that will shift underway.

    The efficiency gains will need to be figured by the prop loading/rpm change.

    Its a great concept as the prop can be sped up at cruise , boosting the load on the diesel at quiet cruise RPM , to give excellent cruising efficiency.

    FF
     
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    Thames Boat Show Beale Park

    Hello Ken,

    Update from yesterday

    Went there yesterday. Fine weather. http://www.visitthames.co.uk/text/145/beale_park_thames_boat_show_2007.html

    Two circuits of the lake in the Deben Lugger, commissioned by http://www.anglia-yacht.co.uk/ Keep an eye on the website for news.

    One stand featured a S&G hull that demonstrated the speed with which a sailing boat can be constructed The results of 120 hours work is very encouraging. http://www.eventideowners.org.uk/

    The Amateur Yacht Research Society http://www.ayrs.org./ is a great place for stick and sheet types to visit. A wide range of technical booklets are available as well as on e-mail discussion group.

    How about the most cleverly crafted 6 person pulling gig? Ask Win at http://www.slipwaycooperative.co.uk/ for details and photos to be posted ASAP. The Bristol Jollyboat is delightful and the Steve Redmond designed "Wisp" on show, is light enough to be carried by one man.

    The Selway Fisher stand was busy. http://www.selway-fisher.com/ and it was also good to see http://www.jordanboats.co.uk/JB/index.htm exhibiting a lapstrake double ended under construction.

    A Polynesian styled catamaran signalled the whereabouts of http://www.wharram.com/
    I was tempted to ask for an outing, but boarding her would have been a trial for legs that were stiffening up from all the perambulations around the show ground.

    I counted at least 11 steamers of all sizes plus a huge r/c model of F106 complete with helicopter patrolling the lake as picket boat.

    There were electric powered boats galore, even Helen Loney's 100mph world record holder electric hydroplane. http://www.conistonpowerboatrecords.co.uk/previous_years.shtml

    The Boat Building Academy, based in Lyme Regis offer hands on short courses and a 38 week residential course. That' I'd love to send my youngest son to, but he is 2 years too young at present. http://www.boatbuildingacademy.com/

    This synopsis of the stands I visited cannot do justice to a super day out. Not to mention the beer tent and the adjacent Hog Roast. I sampled Jordan, Squeaky and one whose name I cannot recollect as they were all washed down with Heritage cider, a strangely luminous, cloudy, orange coloured brew, but eminently drinkable. I was not the designated driver!

    It's 12-30 on another warm sunny Sunday afternoon and I am tempted to undertake the hour drive there again. I just need to rouse the chauffeur from his pit. We'll see.

    Regards,

    Pericles
     
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    Thanks for the replies everyone ...

    I was hoping to find a small controllable pitch propeller not only for efficiency but more importantly for feathering and reverse without a transmission.

    *IF* there were a small controllable pitch propeller available somewhere in the world designed to be driven directly by a common 3600 rpm industrial gas or diesel engine in the range of 4-20 HP, I can think of hundreds of small boat designs that might benefit from such a propeller.

    Just think, no gearbox and no speed reduction needed, yet you still have F-N-R at all engine speeds. Instant reverse without shifting into neutral and without slowing the engine down. If it could be built and sold for $1000 I'm pretty sure there would be a huge global market for it, especially if the quality were good.

    In the meantime, until someone actually builds one, I guess those of us who appreciate the economy and simplicity of industrial engines for our inboard power requirements will just have to use other methods to achieve our goals ...
     
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