common-rail marinisation

Discussion in 'Diesel Engines' started by Steve Wright, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. Steve Wright
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    I'm filtering for people interested in working on marinisation of a modern common rail engine, in particular the Ford/PSA DLD engines for sailboat use. Many tens of thousands of these modern, economical, and quiet engines are in use around the world - yet the DIY sailing community doesn't have ready access to them, which is a shame.

    Ford DLD engine - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_DLD_engine

    The hard part appears to be separating the engine from the rest of the vehicle and having it still start and run, and to this end there are a few public tuning efforts being made to hack the firmware and delete various software options such as the immobiliser and other undesirable parts.

    ECU Engine tuning forum | ecuedit.com https://www.ecuedit.com/

    Anyone else wanting to do this?
     
  2. Dieselguy
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    Hi Steve, I'm up for this interesting challenge.
    Currently I have a Fairline Fury 26 which I am in the early stage of re-engining, it had two Volvo petrols at 120hp each which I was thinking of changing for two ford endura 1.8 non turbo's, however I think it would be slightly underpowered with these engines ( which I already have) and would prefer to go with two 2litre turbo units of 130hp each to get back to original performance and still run at 5 litres per hour per engine at 50 - 70% throttle.
    I will read more on the link you posted and see what I can find.
    The endura 1.8 has immobilisor on the pump but it was very easily removed.
    Cheers.
     
  3. Steve Wright
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    I might be aiming too high with the Ford DLD. It's too modern an ECU and there's no hacking at all been done on it.

    Dropping back a level to the the VW TDi 1.6L EDC17. Theres loads and loads of work already done on this ECU, and theres lots of parts available as its a very commonly marinised engine.
     

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  4. Dieselguy
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    Hello and yes, go VW, there's a thread on here about VW engines and how they are getting around the problems with ecu stuff. Trying to find it but too tired at the moment,(just got home 3am) think its about somewhere on this page or next.
    Been thinking that if I could get 90hp engine per engine then I would be happy with that but ultimately I want to have no electronics on engines with light weight and just keep it simple.
    I have access to a vehicle scrapyard and can get lots of choices from different manufacturers. Ford Transit/Mondeo and all the others in the Ford range, Iveco 2.8 was an early thought but again it was the ecu thing, so I'm keeping an open mind on it at the moment. 15 knots from two x 60hp seems like it should be ok. Going to put those in and see where it goes from there, I can only try and I have nothing to lose from that except more work if I'm not happy.
     
  5. Dieselguy
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    Try diy marinising thread on VW diesel, hth.
     
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  6. Steve Wright
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    Hey Dieselguy, thanks for joining in.

    I've been reading about the TDi and the information available is huge. A typical 40ft 10tonne sailboat will only need about 60hp max and be at hull speed with around 30hp, so the 1.6L at around 1900rpm engine should be super economical and quiet to run.

    Current task is to decide which engine (most recent?) and looking for a relevant firmware image with all the error codes disabled. After that it should just work.

    Electronics on a boat should be ok - seal it up real tight. I'm also looking at having diagnostics on board as well - the idea is be able to do a diagnostic run before a trip.
     
  7. Dieselguy
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    Hi, if your is 40' and ten ton and its a sail boat ( or is it a motorsailor?) Then why not just go with a basic engine that just gets used on occasion? Keep it as simple as you can, last thing I want on the boat is problems with electronics (once upon a time I was a tv engineer) .
    Little normally aspirated non turbo engine that you can hotwire the starter motor or fuel solenoid and gravity feed the injection pump from a can to get you out of trouble is what I'm aiming for with "Miss Behavin"
    Cheers.
     
  8. Dieselguy
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    Hi, two ecu controlled turbo common rail engines is what I'd like but I have to know that they do not have a mind of their own.
    Going deep sea I think that it would be better having it all easy and quick to repair asap.
     
  9. Steve Wright
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    I don't USE an engine "deep sea". I don't want to get into that here.
     
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  11. Dieselguy
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    Hi, been thinking more about possible engines and the Perkins 2 litre turbo I think could be a possible thing. If I remember correctly it has wires from no.1 injector only and a throttle position sensor on the pump. This engine produces 110hp and changing injectors from SD1 engine gives about 130hp. I will look into this further next week and see what I can find .
    Cheers.
     
  12. Steve Wright
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    Thats rather curious... What vehicles and applications is the Perkins common rail engine found? I'd never heard of it.
     
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    easily deleted I guess
     
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    delete it please
     
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