Chinese Boatbuilders??

Discussion in 'Fiberglass and Composite Boat Building' started by sandersc, Apr 9, 2008.

  1. lazeyjack

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    a lazeyjack is part of a yachts rig:)
    I have worked hard all my life: with hands
    still fish are biting well todayi i dont care what you say, my third adopted son is Chinese, done well here, I asked him why he does not have Chinese gal, says"they remind me of my mother"
    Its the lies that do it for me, lies at the top, lies all round,
     
  2. Landlubber
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    lazeyjack, et al,

    The Chinese cannot "loose face", they claim it is traditional, but in fact came about with the advent of Communism in the early part of the 20th century, where it is Socialist policy to make everyone equal, thus eliminating responsibility and allowing all workers to share the fault of a bad worker. It has been introduced to Western society by the Socialists too, look at how people can claim it was the alcohol, i had a bad family life, I was too small, too big, not my fault....all reasons to shirk responsibility for your own actions.

    It is unfortunate that the Chinese continue doing this, whilst embracing western cultures and improvements, as it is seriously holding back their ability to think for themselves and to be creative. It is the total lack of creativity that makes them become copiers, everything is a copy of western makings, but unfortunately they are cardboard copies, not the real thing, and generally are quite unsuitable for use as such.

    Once they do learn to think for themselves and to be solely creative they will advance at a great rate of knots......until then, they will argue how good they are at copying everything and it is our fault we see the problems.
     
  3. jusembo
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    the1shit

    I really tried my best to putting you lower than you are but i fell ... sorry i apologize in front of the humanity .... please forgive me... i give up ....
     
  4. jusembo
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    Landlubber, i only 50% ... euh ... 40% agree with you.
    If it came from communisme it should be same in Russia but it is not.
    Russian are extremely creatives and have no problem with faces, their problem is rather with alcohol, laziness & vice.

    In which business are you Landlubber ?
     
  5. Landlubber
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    Boatbuilding
     
  6. powerabout
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    The problem any Chinese business has now is that their fellow buddies have been working on cheap low quality **** in such a big that the rest of the world has trouble believing anything is quality.
    Face = flash so where do all the fake watches bags etc go.
    The number one motivation for the Chinese is
    money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money

    not quality and reputation.

    My wife is Chinese and in the boating industry and prefers never to deal with other Chinese as they want cheap **** for low price and cannot appreciate quality and service.

    Its the same story in the aircraft, offshore, industrial plant etc.
    From the top to the bottom staff are on the take and componentry is subsidised everywhere

    The Chinese government has banned Chinese companies from supplying high pressure boilers to power plants due to the continued failures of the mild steel boilers made in China..of course they had documents to show the correct steel was used.
    Had a colleague just tell me they had the same issue with a pressure vessel for an offshore installation, exploded at half working pressure under test.
    Now everyone is looking for the material that was shipped from the US to the Chinese manufacturer and obviously substituted.

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_06/b3919001_mz001.htm
    http://www.atkearney.com/main.taf?p=5,1,1,115,2
    http://www.notofakes.com/Home/tabid/71/Default.aspx
    http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=264528
    http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20080209095325
     
  7. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    geesh guys,,,,,it aint his fault he's brain dead,,,,,even the Olympians are leaving china cause the air is so bad,,,,,,they showed pictures of it,,,,,AFTER they shut down a bunch of factories during the games,,,hahaha,,,,,maybe we aint giving him enough credit??? ,,, for someone to even be able to read with 3.465 brain cells is quite the accomplishment!
    hehe ,,,and since you like being "lower",,,,why dont we use them dumbo ears of yours for some ,,,ummmm,,,"relief" :p
     
  8. StrandedMariner
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    StrandedMariner Steelboatsailor

    Nah, they invented oxygen, and golf, and snowboarding, and turds, and everything else of course. ;)
     
  9. jusembo
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    Powerabout, you remind me this Californian artist who spend 1 year here, he hated China, Chinese and especialy he hated Chinese food....was only eating milkyrice and Crakers his mom was sending him by fast delivery
    He fall crazy in love with a very young Chinese girl.

    Till now i'm wondering how he fell when he was eating her ... yuk or mummm ?

    I hate peoples who puke and eat in the same (rice) pot :)
     
  10. Skywoolf
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    Guys, I am British and have lived in Hong Kong for most of the last 36 years. Although Hong Kong was handed back to China in 1997 it has hardly changed and is very different to China.

    There is one very well known shipbuilder in Hong Kong - Choy Lee Shipyards - that have been in business for maybe 100 years. They built most of the ferries, some of which are extremely ancient and still in service and now build some very modern boats. I don't know if they build smaller boats and there are probably other experienced boat builders who build good modern boats in Hong Kong.

    Personally the massive corruption and total lack of support for foreigners if they get cheated would be enough for me not to even think about the China mainland.
     
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  11. Skywoolf
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    P.S. The same applies for the the Philippines. Don't even think about it.
     
  12. Ilan Voyager
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    We are in a boat design forum, so no politics. But consider the very different societies in Asia before trying to import an occidental democracy to people having none tradition of it.
    My Russian friends have the worst remembering of the "democracy" of the nineties when the "hyenas" of the speculation were sucking down the economy.
    What's the value of political freedom when you're starving to death?

    Let's go back to boatbuilding. I'm old enough to have heard the same stuff about Japan (do you remember what was said in the sixties about Japan?), South Korea and India.

    You're probably reading this post with a computer made in Korea or with components made and designed in Korea. South Korea has very good shipyards for big ships, so good that this tiny country is making 30% of the big ships of the world. What was South Korea 30 years ago? Now GM has to import Hyundai in Mexico to keep a part of car market here...ironic isn't?

    Chinese are learning, they learn fast and are very able people...and wait, the Indians are coming.

    To answer the primitive question; building a yacht in China?
    I would say no for the moment. They have no experience in that domain.
    Another country? You or your surveyor must be able to follow the construction in every detail, and some rules have to be followed like Det Norske Veritas or other to guaranty the results.
    And if you have a problem, start a lawsuit in China?

    I'm surprised how people are ready to send without any real guaranty several hundred thousands dollars to any guy promising great savings...

    Even for a Mexican resident, it's very difficult to make a lawsuit to a indelicate provider in Florida, so imagine in China, Malaysia, Thailand or others.

    There is no issue; good shipyards for yachts are in the countries having a tradition of sailing. It's a luxury thing in a very special market.
     
  13. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    Ilan ,,, when you ask about boat builders in another country POLITICS are a VERY big part of that,,,no matter what country.
     
  14. Butch .H
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    Um! James and David are not Chinese perse' They have business interests in China. They should know better:D
     

  15. genuinemarine
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    Butch.H

    Let me tell you right now: I am a 100% Chinese and I am very proud of it. I am thinking and judging about the background of you and from what kind of culture you are. To me you talk like somebody from under-developped countires, more like a politician. You should forget about boats and find a job in the government.

    You want a debate with me and shoot !
     
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