Cheap steel yacht multi chine in Bulgaria

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  1. Lollomare
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    Lollomare Junior Member

    :)

    Hello , my first message :eek:

    I wonder if is possible to have a steel yacht built in Bulgaria for a small price.

    I have not experience of steel boats , I think steel is quite cheap now .

    Do you know a good design for a capable sturdy fast boat yacht to build there?

    I have a small budget ,Multi Chine is ok for me .

    28-32 ft looks big enough to me .

    I quite like the something like this one .

    Many thanks for any advice you will give me.

    :)
     

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  2. whitepointer23

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    The most cost effective way to get a sailboat is to find a good used boat that meets your needs. You might get a hull built cheap but that is a small cost compared to rigging and fitout . This question gets asked almost daily and the answer is always the same. small budget means buy used don't build. And it is more
    Eco friendly to recycle existing boats.
     
  3. Lollomare
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    Thank you for the answer.Very reasonable.

    I got an engine and propulsion line , I got few sails , anchors. Some stuff.

    Of course I am just wondering , still the moment doesn't look so bad.

    I just don't know nothing about steel construction , and I 'd like to explore this possibility.

    After my last plastic boat with tickness I am shocked about , I wonder what a steel boat can cost ,specially in a cheap place like Bulgaria.

    Just wondering.

    Many thanks
     
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  5. Lollomare
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    That one is 36 ft, what's your budget in time and money for building a 28-32 ft steel sailing yacht ?


     
  8. daiquiri
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    Steel is cheap now, but steel is just a tiny fraction of the overall building cost - something like 10-15% of the total.

    Since you have brought that argument, I guess that the budget is important for you. In that case, don't count on any significant savings from the low price of steel. A 50% cheaper steel translates into some 5% cheaper build - so it will still cost you a small fortune (or a big one, depending on points of view). Be ready for that and double-check your financial math before starting the project.

    Cheers
     
  9. Lollomare
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    Well ,many thanks for all the answers.
    If the cost of steel can reach 15% of the total to get a boat there is something to save already in this period.
    I assume I don't need the boat to be ready for ocean crossing for a while... .So maybe I can have the floating hull, and be not hunappy with that.
    I don't really have a clear budget already ,sorry.
    Maybe something like a 5000$ for the hull,but that is just guessing.
    Specially I wonder if having the boat done in Bulgaria can be a good option, by the price point of view.
    I have seen this one on the web
    http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/classifieds/chatterbox/bigpix.html
    It looks very good but I was thinking to start with fraction of that.


    I will check the link for steel boats ,

    Cheers
     
  10. RHP
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    $5,000 budget for the hull, before or after you've bought the plans from the designer.....?
     
  11. waikikin
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    Besides design cost You need to look at the uncut steel weight including building strongback or jig, consumables for cutting, welding and grinding, abrasive blasting plus paint, ballast and hatches/ports, engine/line of shaft/rudder/exhaust and controls wouldn't go astray.... plus a sole/floor & companionway steps, your own or someone else's labour... plus some rent & launch costs.... then you have something to camp on and be able to move..... anchor, lines..
    I think you will be up to 40-70k without labour & no rent/in backyard then some machinery to aquire also, I used to build some steel boats in the past and probably will again.... last year I bought a Carter 33 all running and comfortable for 14k, been enjoying ever since ... the rig was six years old and probably cost the purchase cost or a few grand more, in the 20-40k range there's plenty good boats that just need a tidy up.

    Jeff.
     
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  12. Lollomare
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    Many thanks again .
    Well ,I don't really want to jump into a desparate struggle just to try to save a few thousands dollars.
    I am not gonna put my years into a nonsense building or something .
    My curiosity was just about the the actual (now) chances to get a hull done for a very ,very reasonable price .A nice one , not a shame one.
    It looks like nobody really believes that it is possible, I assume it's true.
    I need time to read the informative link about steel boats.
    Time to think.
    Cheers.
     
  13. Angélique
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    That's a good thing, after that establish a budget in time and money of what you can afford for this project. Then specify all costs in time and money and see if it can be done within your budget. Also realise that DIY boat building projects often need double of the estimated building time plus money, and then after being a lifetime burden many of these projects end up to be unfinished for sale and as such they go from hand to hand far below the initial purchase price of the bare materials.

    Of course there are success stories too and I think most of them started with a personal affordable budget in time and money and a plan to do it within that budget.

    Below some random examples of unfinished steel boat building projects for sale that showed up after a quick search . . .


    Note: the pictures are hotlinked and will disappear if the source goes off line.
     
  14. pdwiley
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    Trust me, it isn't possible. I built my own hull, in my own shed, from a stack of plate and flat bar. It still cost me around $15000 AUD and I've probably underestimated that given the amount of epoxy primer I've applied.

    The hull is the cheap part. The time & expense really goes into fitting out.

    Buy a boat. Building boats is for tragics with delusions of competence, too much time and too much money.

    OTOH it's a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously and you know *exactly* what's gone into the build and where the bodies, if any, are buried....

    PDW
     

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    ...and as the result, pretty often the above problems get even worse. ;)
     
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