CE Certification?

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  1. rxcomposite
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    rxcomposite Senior Member

    I googled "CE for boats" to find out up to what size CE certifies. Guess what? google returns us to this bd forum. So fellow members, keep the info going. We are on google!

    Here is additional info from www.americansportsboats.com which might help the OP in his quest for the procedure.

    To cut and paste;

    "Boat CE Mark / CE Certification service worldwide

    BOAT CE CERTIFICATION IN EUROPE, (EU and EEA), USA and FWI

    Boat CE, American Sports Boats provide CE Certification (the CE Mark) for importers of American craft including PWC Jet Ski's. We can CE your boat in America prior to shipping or on arrival in any European destination, Boat CE provides CE Certification CE Marking to comply with the Recreational Craft Directive (RCD) for all American Boats or Jet Ski (PWC). We are authorised by Notified Body to complete CE Certifcation for your boat. We carry out "post construction assessment" and CE marking or CE Certification on all imported craft such as sports, fishing, cruising boats and trawlers. The associated CE Mark is proof that your American Sport Boat complies with the recreational craft directive (RCD 94/25/EC as amended by 2003/44/EC) Almost all boats and craft imported from outside Europe, predominantly from the USA require CE Certification . We have agents in Europe and the USA and offer a very competitive price and service, we travel anywhere at very reasonable rates, whether you import or export to Europe call us we can help you CE your boat. Your boat CE-marking and certification to comply with the recreational craft directive is a legal requirement in the European Union member states and the European Economic Area countries......................."
     
  2. powerabout
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    powerabout Senior Member

    dont forget to use the brass thru hulls if you are doing a CE boat
     
  3. Carlazzomark
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    Carlazzomark Junior Member

    Just to clarify my particular circumstance and question, I am building a 24 foot by 8.2 foot pontoon boat, from various components. The motor will most likely be purchased in Italy, where the boat will be used.

    So I only really need to know if a self-built boat (from components) for personal use in Italy needs to be certified, and how I do that.

    Thanks,

    Mark
     
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  5. TANSL
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    TANSL Senior Member

    For stability, you must follow the instructions of ISO 12217-1, 2 or 3.
    Have a look, if desired, on the attachment.
     

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  6. rxcomposite
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    rxcomposite Senior Member

    I meant the CE Requirements, Part 3- Integrity and structural requirements.

    Maybe that is the one covered in 3.2-Stability and freeboard.;)
     
  7. Lister

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    I suppose you mean "bronze" Because brass in salt water will be destroyed in a week time.
     
  8. daiquiri
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    The CE mark was essentially intended for the protection of customers of goods in the EU. Hence if the boat is manufactured for personal use and is not to be commercialized (i.e. sold to someone) in EU for the next 5 years, the certification is not required.

    For reference, see the:
    - item 3.g of the Directive 94/25/EC: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:1994:164:0015:0038:EN:PDF
    - item 2.a.VII of the Directive 2003/44/EC: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2003:214:0018:0035:EN:PDF

    Cheers
     
  9. powerabout
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    powerabout Senior Member

    NO CE have decided brass works, well at least till its out of warranty and should be inspected
    Its a black eye on what is a reasonable standard
    maybe they did it to keep the Chinese builders on side?
     
  10. Lister

    Lister Previous Member

    Are you serious? CE authorize brass valves? I can believe that.
    I suppose the push paper in Bruxelles who never saw a boat in their life, decide for the safety of the yachtsman.:p
    Here, thanks God, we have the Coast Guard. Professional, helpful and life saver.
     
  11. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Never happened. Just out of memory it goes like 'not showing any defects during a service life of 5 years'. Some manufacturer has made their own 'interpretation' of that and are using some kind of brass seacocks thou I don't know what's the quality. I doupt seriously that brass valves can make that and thus using them is a fraud at best (might be a manslaughter in some future case)..
     
  12. CDK
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    Nothing intended for personal use, i.e. not part of a commercial transaction, needs CE certification. It also doesn't need it when the object is later sold as being used.
    So you can construct the pontoon from any material you fancy.

    Most products imported in the EU for commercial reasons have a document called confirmation of compliance. It lists a number of CE directives about the parts being used, like plugs, cables, fittings, tubes etc. but doesn't mention those parts or constructions not approved by Brussels. The manufacturer writes the document and signs it, which makes it a legal document.
    In theory, a competitor may challenge the statement and so can any government bureau, but the latter is unlikely to happen unless accidents have taken place.
     
  13. HakimKlunker
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    HakimKlunker Andreas der Juengere

    That is also my knowledge.
    However, it may be next to impossible to get the vessel insured.
    And: If one day the boat is meant to be sold, it also may not return too much money.
    In case something goes wrong, i.e. the vessel causes a damage and official investigations become involved: that may turn out to be a hard life.

    I would suggest here at least to follow the most important rules and keep a suitable record, but not entering a certification procedure.
     
  14. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    That is true what comes to EU legislation. But in a lot of member countries have their own legislation which extends the same (ISO recreational boat) standards into commercial vessels under 24m of length. So thou in these cases the CE stickers are not obliged the same rules are still valid..
     

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    I have seen some horrendous engine installations on some CE boats that are plane dangerous but the boat has a tag so all parties think its fine.
    Engine install done by local dealer.
    There needs to be more education and documentation to fix this issue
    ( like a sea cock that can be made from anything on a CE boat)
     
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