Causal quantum-gravitational model of space-time

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  1. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    Although these are boating forums, there are quite a few threads around devoted to not boating matters, having the general agreement and participation of members. That's why I dare to post here this link to a very interestig article on a new approach to explain our Universe:

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-self-organizing-quantum-universe

    Not that I have enough knowledge about this matter and pretend to discuss it, but just to share the info and perhaps bring in other informative contributions.

    Cheers.
     
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  2. Ilan Voyager
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    Thanks Guillermo, for the link.

    It's not an easy paper, so I'll read it carefully later.
     
  3. alan white
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    There is also another way to understand quantum/ classical physics paradoxes which requires one to understand that when quantum and spacetime physics are studied together, they cannot be studied (as they now are) by classical rules alone.
    Quantum rules must also apply. What is a quantum rule? A quantum rule would allow subjective interpretation to be applicable, meaning it carried the same weight as empirical knowledge.
    Therefore, the long sought theory that combines quantum and classical evidence will threaten to end science as we know it. Scientists will have to understand that they will never know even half the truth as long as they insist on agreeing about it.

    Alan
     
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    So Ellie won't meet his dad after all :(
     
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    masalai masalai

    Ahhhhh Alan, getting close to the crux of the matter, a bit to the left, then a bit to the right and you will see the way..... (I am not allowed to be more explicit....)
     
  6. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    If these guys are right, it seems she won't, Teddy.

    Cheers.
     
  7. alan white
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    alan white Senior Member

    Don't be a tease-----what is it you aren't allowed to be explicit about? Can you be more explicit?
     
  8. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Thought you may like a little ******** to close - All you need is in the 5 pages of the article & some stuff in the commentaries - - enjoy...

    For more, - google the original article title - (Pp5) - and similar publications can be accessed for a fee, - - or - - registered students in some cases...
     
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    Meanz Beanz Boom Doom Gloom Boom

    That made my brain hurt... more than an Ape can deal with on a Monday!
     
  10. Jimbo1490
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    Einstein said all that 'quantum mechanics' is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo with all its paradoxes and uncertainties. Didn't believe any of it till the day he died. Go figure.

    Jimbo
     
  11. alan white
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    I tells ya, it ain't a rational empirical explanation.
    The true explanation is personal and subjective.
    Thought itself crystallizes the realization. Without the realization, no rational causal logic works. The mind depends upon certain geometric recombinations to "see" beyond the four dimensions.
    The ability to be aware of the first four from a fifth-dimensional position is the same as saying that dimensions themselves are actually a geometric evolution, and like molecular soups, each of us are petri dishes awaiting that next impulse to instantly and suddenly crystallize "into" our own personal next dimension.
    This is the real meaning of dimensionality. It's useless to try to imagine some objective and empirical "science" which describes one single universe.
    Yet science's explanations are at least the most efficient causal loops and therein lies their appeal.

    A.
     
  12. Jimbo1490
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    It shows that you don't need to understand (or even believe in) quantum mechanics to understand (even originally postulate) a theory of general relativity. But without a meaning behind the meaning, science would be so much more limited. For instance, without understanding 'quantum leaps' (implying a faith or belief that quantum theory is right) it would not have been possible to invent the transistor and all that has followed that invention. Transistors work (theoretically, anyway) because of the quantum mechanics of the 'N' and 'P' materials and their doping agents.

    Jimbo
     
  13. nero
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    "A quantum rule would allow subjective interpretation to be applicable, meaning it carried the same weight as empirical knowledge."

    My worst nightmare realized. This would mean that the female thought process is valid. ... And my wife has reason.
     
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  14. alan white
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    alan white Senior Member

    Valid... but only applicable in another universe. They can be right but that doesn't make us wrong. Just very frightened.
     

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    Freeky Quarc:eek:
     
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