Catamarans: 60ft 1978 v shaped hull cat vs a modern 38ft cat

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  1. biglittlefish
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    Hi, I'm trying to find out which yacht is better in mainly 2 areas - which would be more comfortable in a storm or rough seas. And which could carry the most. I charted a Leopard 3800 last year and i didn't like how it performed in choppy steep waves, plus it was too small inside.
    The Leopard has the U shaped bottom and wide transoms, but the 60' has its length, not much more beam 25' (about 3 more feet), and heavier, but it has v shaped hulls and some rocker in there too. It has bulbous bows, but not sure if they help much. Also fine transoms

    Could anyone help me on this? Have experience? Thank you.


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    If you posted because you are considering buying the 60fter - don't!

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    WestVanHan: Its my first post and I messed up the title, but cant figure out how to edit it. Should read 60' Catamaran vs 38' Catamaran etc (will change once i figured out how to edit) - apologies for that. I'm not interested in monohulls. Yes it is 60', its just not a wide angle shot (or fisheye) like you would see in every yacht for sale.

    Richard Woods: Yes I posted it as its one yacht I'm considering buying (after full inspection), but wanted to get some experienced point of views. Thanks for your advice, but I need a bit more, like as to why not buy it, how it might handle etc
     
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    Just saw the 'edit' button (must be blind) and have changed the title slightly - hope it makes more sense now
     
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    Hard to imagine the thinking behind the big bow overhang, possibly the bulbous bows are an afterthought, and are the additions that once graced the sides aft, no more ? I'd say it has a history of uncomfortable pitching motions.
     
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    They experimented with bulbous bows in the 60's/70's to try and stop pitching/hobby horsing. Not sure if it helped though. Yes thats what I'm interested in, how it would handle, thanks for your thoughts Mr Efficiency.

    Its being sold as a CSK Custom. I've chatted with Barry Choy (Choydesign.com). He thinks 'that this may be based on or partially based on an older CSK design. However, this boat was not built from our plans. The hulls look like highly-modified versions of 60’s-era hulls but it’s otherwise been designed or re-designed by someone else'

    I probably should have posted this in 'Multihulls'??
     
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    I suppose what is tolerable to one person, is intolerable to another, obviously someone went to a lot of trouble to "correct" what they saw as a shortcoming, but how often are afterthought alterations successful ? You'd really need to test sail it to make an assessment.
     
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    LOL I was a bit hung over,read the original title as you were looking at a mono.

    Anyways,60' is a very large boat and a lot to handle as you know.
    Are you planning to use her as a liveaboard full time or part time,and do local holiday cruising?

    My opinion may differ than others,but if she's to be a liveaboard,you can keep up with maintenance,and the price is decent...why not?
     
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    My plan is to live on it and do it up. But also I want to sail to Fiji and other south pacific islands. So for that part I do need a boat that handles well.
    There also is an opportunity to take over a passenger/supplies run in Fiji, at present its done by a large diesel vessel, but thats a much longer consideration. Could end up a monohull being better for the job. I don't think this is the yacht to do that with - having to go out in some rough seas. Neither though would a 38' more modern cat.

    Richard Woods: I see you've sailed Kelsall and prouts. Ever sailed a Kelsall 52, or a Prout Quasar 50? If so, what were they like in a rough sea?

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    Kelsall 52: just looking at the hull shape - it looks a lot better to me. Think the hulls are thin though? But transoms wider. Really depends on the year it was made though

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    Bottom line is, how keenlly priced are these tubs of doubtful suitability, you'd hate to pay top dollar and have to cop a hiding as well !
     
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