Can everybody design?

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by ekamarine, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. ekamarine
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    ekamarine Junior Member

    I am not surprised at all )))
     
  2. Alik
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    The worst thing about all these 'creative' designers involvement is that they destroy the market. They promise a lot to clients without any responsibility, suck the money and leave the professionals to sole the problems. Finally: if boat is good they present it as their success; if it does not work then of course it is naval architect's fault :D

    That's why I never touch projects where all these 'stylists' are involved.
     
  3. bernd1972
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    bernd1972 Holzwurm

    We in Germany havr a very strict system of formal qualification that keeps wannabee guys out of the business. On one side it helps to prevent supersmart fools from causing damage to other people but the other side is that it also blocks talents without formal qualification. However, designing a good boat needs qualification and keeping in touch with the experience of the generations before us, no matter if the designers qualification is formally approved or not.
     
  4. powerabout
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    The Concord had so many tyre explosions many that punctured a fuel tank it was on the verge of being banned from US airspace by the FAA, then it happened again with a large demonstration of what they thought could happen.
    would we call that 99% good design or lack of tyre technology as thats the only plane with wheels that small that goes that fast on TO&Landing?
     
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Ehmmmm, I don't get the point... :(
     
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    powerabout Senior Member

    sorry
    meaning trained professionals versus otherwise and look what happened, re the post I replied to
     
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    But that's a nonsense, sorry for the word.
    What do you think - how many Concords (or airplanes of any type) would fall down on a daily basis if they have all been designed and built by, say, bakers, barbers, firemen, waiters, truck drivers, policemen, nurses etc etc etc? In other words, people with no or little knowledge about planes?
    Do you think they would be better and safer, and would you really prefer flying in such airplanes?
     
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    no, i'm just saying there are no guarantee's

    (Comet for example, trained professionals then, amateurs today?)
     
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Only one thing is guaranteed in our lifetime... All the rest is a matter of probability.
    And the probability for a good outcome of a job rises proportionally with the knowledge about what is being done.
     
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    too true!
     
  11. Pericles
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    Pericles Senior Member

    Gentlemen,

    You are all free to do whatever you want to do in life, just so long as each individual accepts the results of his actions. There is no freedom without responsibility.

    Take for example, bigbowen who blew up for his own psychological reasons after posting quite reasonably four times elsewhere in the forum. Then he had difficulty with managing his anger and vehemently blasted off with another four posts on this thread. Who is the "you" who rattled his cage? Is it a collective "us"?

    Yes, he is as free to do that, just as he is free to design and build his own boat. Likewise, others are entitled to exercise their the freedom to pass judgement on his work and his mindset, should they so desire. This is the Boat Design Forum, open to all who register. A very useful resource for the mutual exchange of information that previously was only obtained from expensive technical text books.

    Thus, one can move up the learning curve very rapidly; conversely one can get into difficulty equally rapidly, by not engaging brain before punching the keyboard and pressing "send".

    DIY boatbuilding is good fun. DIY building an extension on a house is good fun. Both activities require skills. Both activities can have painful consequences if the relevant approvals are not sought.

    Vernacular building is used to describe the vast majority of houses erected worldwide, without the input of architects. Vernacular boats were/are constructed by artisans and master shipwrights, who by dint of years of experience know what they were doing. A salutary lesson is to read the history of Rybovitch.

    http://www.michaelrybovichandsons.com/history.html

    Naval architecture is an engineering discipline. "In addition to this leadership role, a naval architect also has a specialist function in ensuring that a safe, economic, and seaworthy design is produced."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_architecture

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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    You make a good point. It is knowledge vs. ignorance. Trying to fend off ignorance brought me here.
    Design is an art. The artistic ability must be augmented by knowledge.

    It don't matter how purty it is if it don't float, or go the way its s'posed to, or falls apart if it hits a floating candy wrapper.

    Art and science must merge for a successful realization of the dream.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    Some of the best boats ever built were ugly as hell but did their designed purpose. The humble landing craft is one such example.
     
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    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Very nicely said. :)
     

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    You see that in building architecture, the dreamer has a idea and the engineers have to build it quite often with pioneering technology and techniques
     
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